Elizabeth: June 1581, 11-20

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June 1581, 11-20

June 11. 217. STOKES to WALSINGHAM.
My last to you were the 4th and 6th inst. Since which it was thought there would have been great store of news here ; but it has fallen out the contrary, for all things have been still. The Malcontents after being beaten out of their trenches and sconces by the small camp of the States that lies at Loo, of which I wrote in my last, retired to an open village called 'Hounscott,' which they spoiled and afterwards ransomed at 4,000, which the inhabitants 'hath and must' pay. Thence they marched to Poperinghe, where they did the like. Besides, in passing through the country they took with them all the cattle they could find, and have sent them to victual the rest of their camp before Cambray. So Montigny with his forces lies on the frontier between Artois and Flanders at a place called Saint-Venant. The States' camp lies still at Loo in very good order awaiting the coming of Monsieur's forces, which is greatly desired here ; for their coming seems to them very long. It is said here that Monsieur is now in England, which news seems very strange to the magistrates of this town and the rest of the Four Members who are at present here ; for they hoped that he had now been with his forces very near the frontier, which makes them sorry to hear the contrary. This week, by letters from Artois, Cambray continues still in some danger to be lost, for the Malcontents 'make great vaunts to have it,' or it be long ; which is greatly feared here. The Prince of Epinoy with his forces in Tournay made a 'roode' as far as Mons in Hainault, and has returned with many prisoners of good value and a great number of cattle ; for the country in those parts looked for no such matter, which made them bolder to be abroad. The magistrates of this town still go forward against the Pope's religion. This week by proclamation they have banished the Mass clean out of this town ; which before was used in no churches but secretly in houses. So now a law is made, whenever the Mass is said in any house, for every time the 'honor' of the house shall pay 100 'gildons,' and everyone that is present 30, and the priest to be banished the town for ever. Of these forfeits the 'presenter' shall have one-third, the poor another, and the rest goes to the town. So it is sharply looked to, and every 'gildon' is 3s. 4d.Bruges, 11 June 1581. Add. Endd. 2 pp. [Holl. and Fl XIV. 84.]
June 12. 218. to
Sir, I thought to persuade the other captains to give the enemy a camisade this night. They are at Ayberghen, two leagues from us. One has just come who assures me that there have arrived to-day three ensigns of infantry, two Walloon and one German, and that they are expecting yet more. If you want to beat the convoy, you must make up your mind to fight with 600 horse and as much infantry. It seems to me if you will send all the cavalry across and at once make 300 and 400 harquebusiers cross at Doesborg and march straight on the castle of Hatfort, the enemy cannot enter Zutphen without fighting us, and with the help of God, I know no reason of God [sic] why they should not be ours. Whatever you do must be done quickly. I am puzzled at having no news from those who have arrived at the house of Dort, in order to have intelligence of each other. I have sent them two posts to-day, to hold themselves ready.Lochem, 12 June 1581. Endd. with date only. Fr. 1 p. [Holl. and Fl. XIV. 85.]
June 12. 219. The COUNT OF VIMIOSO to COBHAM.
I have received a letter from the Queen of England, which has made me her servant for ever. I am determined to go and pay her my respects and place my life and goods at her command. Please advertise me of her pleasure. The opportunity of recovering our realm presents itself. I have letters from the king my master for her Majesty. The King of France is doing for me more than he can [sic] and more than I desire ; he has written to his ambassadors who are in your country, and will do what I ask him in these particulars, and the duke his brother the same. Meanwhile M. Strozzi is gone to the coast, to make stay of the ships and get things ready, and I think that he will get my people on board shortly, and sufficient for my purpose. Keep it secret, and let me know if you have any occasion to command me. I will perform with the mind your debtor should have.Tours, 12 June 1581. (Signed) Don Francisco. P.S.You can fully trust Francisco Antonio di Sosa. Holograph. Add. Endd. by L. Tomson. Ital. 1 pp. [France V. 86.]
June 12. 220. COBHAM to [WALSINGHAM].
At my coming here from Blois, Count Vimioso sent me this packet enclosed requesting it might be sent by the next convenient messenger to Don Roderigo de Souza, in which was matter concerning her Majesty's service, and that it might be delivered while Monsieur was in England. I suppose it may yet come in time to satisfy that purpose, since it is understood his mother is at present with him at Nantes ; as I found by the answer I received the other day at Chartres, where on my return hither I met Prim and Brooke, by whom her Majesty's packet was brought to me. I sought to have access to the king for the speedy accomplishing of her commands received in the dispatch from you. None of the secretaries being either at Chartres or at Dollenville, where the king arrived that day with his young queen, I sent Thomas Walsingham to M. d'O, asking him to be the means I might have audience. M. d'O, after he had known the king's pleasure, signified to me that he would be in three days at Saint-Maur, with his mother, where I should be admitted to their presence. Meantime Secretary Brulart came to Chartres, to whom I sent, requesting that if I could not then have andience, he would let me know some certain time when I should either return to Dollenville or repair to Saint-Maur, to deliver the Queen's mind to his Majesty. I received from Secretary Brulart, after he had seen the king, the same answer as before. So this king shows himself in her Majesty's causes a 'pleasing child' towards his mother, in such sort that in her absence I seldom get audience. But it may be the little train he had with him, as also that he seldom or never gives access to ambassadors at that place, has been the only stay. So it will be the longer before I can obtain answer to your last letter, though I shall not fail to solicit his Majesty. Count Vimioso pretends to have a great desire to cross the sea to solicit her Majesty on behalf of Don Antonio. He sent, as I am informed, a gentleman to the king at Blois to impart this 'meaning' to him. Meantime Strozzi, doubting that the count would not have 'ability' to 'wage' those soldiers and to procure munitions sufficient for the intended voyage to Portugal, has 'given him term' till the 28th of this month ; when either the count is to deliver him money and show him further ability for advancing that action, or else he will 'leave' to follow that cause, and betake himself to his own affairs. Paris, 12 June 1581. Add. and endt. gone. 1 pp. [France V. 87.]
As Mr Waad is returning I will leave to him the care of reporting matters here, as he has been informed by me so far as my knowledge extends. At present I will only tell you that I have just heard by a letter from Constantinople that Ucchiali had given my Portuguese friend certain English slaves, and the Portuguese had given them to your ambassador ; who, as I am told by a man of the said Portuguese, does not comport himself at that Court as is requisite. He sends me word that it would be well if the Queen appointed some one of rather more quality and more practical in the world's affairs ; especially as he has had some quarrel with Ucchiali and is not very agreeable to him. As for the Portuguese, I am informed by the Venetian ambassador among others that he has much influence with Ucchiali, and I see plainly that he wants her Majesty to know that he does him services . . . . . this costs nothing . . . . in such wise that I judge it would not be amiss [if] . . . . she wrote and ordered her ambassador to avail himself of his favour and counsel. If she does this, she will be able to write to him under cover to her ambassador and also to me [?] in order that if one be lost, the other may arrive safely.Paris, 13 June 1581. Add. Endd. (with date June 3). Ital. 1 p. [France V. 87 bis.]
If you remember, when I was at Moret I wrote to you desiring you to do so much for me as to request the Queen in my favour, that I might be supported by her. This I now perceive you have done, inasmuch as she has granted to me a seemly pension, and I am entered into possession of one part of the payment of the same, for which I thank you heartily, and shall be ready to requite it to you and yours when occasion shall present. Meantime I pray you to hold me in her Majesty's good graces, assuring her that what she has pleased to grant me will not be ill-bestowed, for none shall be willing to do her more thankful and obedient service.Paris, 14 June 1581. Add. Endd. Scottish. 1 p. [France V. 88.]
June 15. 223. COBHAM to [WALSINGHAM].
Having received this letter from Count Vimioso, I 'would not but' forward it to you ; since in it he professes to be taking his journey towards her Majesty. The bringer of it, a gentleman of his, told me that there is a Portuguese carvell arrived at Rochelle this last week in which are some principal personages of that Court. I conjectured that the chief was Don Antonio ; but though I pressed him to discover the truth, he would not declare it plainly, but assured me there was some good means and sufficient maintenance for their cause. A Portuguese gentleman passed this morning towards Tours. He landed at Calais, and is gone to the count with good news, as he affirmed to me. I learn from Pryme's letters that the count proposes to dispatch him to England within three days.Paris, 15 June. P.S.Some think that these two brothers meet to-day at 'Noyse,' at the house of Marshal de Retz. Holograph. Endd. 1 p. [France V. 89.]
June 15. 224. COBHAM to [WALSINGHAM].
The king has been in this town since Monday the 12th inst., lodging in M. d'O's house, and passing some of his time at the Palais, some at St Denis fair, and other places where he is accustomed to be 'cheered.' He has since being here called to his company none of the cardinals or princes of the House of Guise, nor others. In his open shows and speeches he continues to mislike his brother's enterprises. Meantime his mother has been ever since Saturday with Monsieur at Mantes, persuading him, as it is understood, to alter his determination, or else to accommodate himself to the king his brother's mind, whereby he might have the means better assured to accomplish those enterprises. She has also wished him to confer with the king in some convenient place, where they might speak their minds frankly one to the other, by which means some suspicions on both sides might be cleared. But Monsieur remains resolute in what he has professed both to those of the Low Countries and to other friends and confederates ; addressing his forces by all means to the relief of Cambray, and soliciting his followers to hasten their coming to him. He has ordered part of his troops to march near Mantes, part by Chteau-Thierry, and part to pass at Montereau, which are the principal passages for transporting victuals to this city. Above 1,200 lances, with divers armour and ammunitions, have been brought and sent to him this week. Marshal Matignon, accompanying the Queen Mother, at his first coming presented himself to do his accustomed reverence to Monsieur ; but he refused to receive him, and turned his back, at which the marshal was much amazed, and 'lamented himself' to some of Monsieur's servants. By them his Highness was so far moved in the marshal's behalf as to say that if Marshal Matignon did not provoke him with speeches, he would use silence towards him. But the marshal could not be satisfied so, being deeply discontented ; therefore the next day, after Monsieur's rising from table, the marshal went to him, beseeching him to declare the causes of his displeasure. Monsieur alleged that he had solicited the king for the 'defeating' of certain of his troops who had passed not far from Vendme ; and that he had not only commanded M. Beauvais-Nangis to do that exploit, but had then procured the king to command M. Beauvais to do what he, the marshal, had given him in charge. By this he found himself so much injured that he thought him unworthy of the name or place of one of the marshals of France, but rather reputed him to be no gentleman, and to deserve to be punished according to his merits ; with many other speeches, showing great indignation, and delivered in such earnest manner that the marshal left the place, and went at once from his Highness's Court. Queen Mother remained greatly troubled, shedding many tears and showing Monsieur that these 'accidents' would alter the king's mind towards him and raise further discontents between them. She uses sundry manners of 'purposes' in her speeches. To some she laments that Monsieur's determination is so contrary to the king's opinion that she finds no apparent means to accord them ; so that through their discord and the grief she sustains thereby, she is like to have her life shortened. But in conference with others she seems to discover that if the king remains obdurate in his overthwart dealings, she will favour Monsieur. Monsieur having addressed letters to the Parlement of Paris (copies of which I enclose), those of the Parlement refused to receive them, and certified the king thereof. The king has lately published another proclamation forbidding all levies of soldiers and commanding such companies to be 'defeated' as are not massed together, or do not march without his own commission. Notwithstanding this, the Marquis of Elbeuf, Count Brissac, and M. de Laval are gathering their troops to serve his Highness, as divers noblemen and gentlemen are passing from sundry parts of this realm to serve him ; but how all this will prosper, few can discern. They hope that the negotiation which her Majesty has passed with the French commissioners will become the best means to maintain the love between these princes, breeding a better mutual intelligence and more confidence. Meantime however the king laments that Monsieur does not deal so overtly with him as he thought it behoved him to do in causes of such moment, suspecting further the 'intrinsical' privy resolutions and contriving of matters which passes between Monsieur and his sister the Queen of Navarre, by whom the king takes himself to be hated, perceiving that she maintains in Monsieur's favour those who are least grateful to himself ; which manner of men the king esteems to be improper persons to undertake such charge as they take upon them. Through these opinions his mind is variously drawn and framed in appearance irresolute ; and notwithstanding his demonstrations the nobility and gentlemen who are Monsieur's voluntary friends are repairing towards these parts with their warlike furniture to accompany him in the relief of Cambray. But, as it is judged, he will hardly amass together 1,000 horse, most of which will come meanly mounted, 'nakedly' armed, strange to orders or commands, and being voluntary soldiers, will not prolong their stay from their homes after their provision is spent and they are driven to suffer the inconveniences of war. Besides, unless the king favours Monsieur's beginnings, there will be little artillery or munitions, which are most requisite. So the estate of his Highness standing in those terms, beside the lack of money, occasions the chief persons who are to command in this army to mistrust the issue of this journey ; nor will they willingly consent to fight with these simple forces, his Highness being in the field ; for he will be in personal danger of being taken or slain. The chief captains would like it well if 5,000 horse and 6,000 shot could be had ; wherewith they might trust to repulse the enemy and succour Cambray. In such terms these affairs appear to continue hitherto ; which I have thought good to signify, considering it seems her Majesty cares for Monsieur's advancement of his enterprises. The Abate d'Elbene visited the nuncio on behalf of Monsieur, paying the ordinary compliments. The nuncio seemed to receive this office in good part, but yet in some strange and solemn manner. M. de Clervant has been with the deputies of Dauphin at Mantes, where they had audience of Monsieur and the queen. They have since sought access to the king, but it is deferred till his coming to Saint-Maur. M. de Clervant has told me that the King of Navarre desires to have his good will and service commended to her Majesty whenever she may be pleased to command him. Meantime he is gone to pass the summer at the baths of 'Aqu Scandis' [qu. Eaux Chaudes] in Barn, at the foot of the 'Mounts Pyreynes,' with the queen his wife. The Prince of Cond has returned to Seint-Jean-d'Angely. The ambassador of Spain at his last audience signified that the king his master had solicited and obtained of the Pope both men and money for the wars of Dauphin ; encouraging the king with large persuasions to that purpose. The Duke of Montpensier has returned from Blois to his house somewhat sickly, wishing if his health serve, to repair into Guyenne. The Duke of Maine has come to Paris and is lodged with his brother the Duke of Guise. The preparations for war in Dauphin are somewhat slackened. The king was the other day at sundry marriages ; and departed yesterday afternoon from M. d'O's house for Dollenville, whence he purposes to return in two days to Saint-Maur as I am informed by M. Gondy ; whose means I have used to be admitted to the king's presence, which he 'has and will' procure with the first 'commodity.' Dr Allen in my absence resorted lately to 'Bartholomey Martin,' a merchant in Paris of whom I sometimes receive my money, giving him a book which he requested might be delivered to me. I send it as I received it to you by this messenger. Lord Hamilton thanks her Majesty for the portion of his pension which he received from his brother Lord Claude. Queen Mother came here late last night and went this morning to Saint-Maur.Paris, 15 June 1581. Endd. by Walsingham. 3 pp. [France V. 90.]
June 20. 225. "Instructions for SIR H. COBHAM and for JOHN SOMMER, now sent thither, 20 June 1581."
Whereas the commissioners the day before their departure received letters from the king directing them to let her Majesty understand that touching the stay she made in proceeding to a full conclusion of marriage till such time as the Duke of Anjou should be maintained in the prosecution of his enterprise in the Low Countries, lest otherwise the burden of the charge might chiefly be thrown on her, which might breed a great misliking in her subjects, he was content, the marriage proceeding for the advancement of his brother, not only to assist him in his enterprise, but to enter into a league offensive and defensive with her, upon any reasonable conditions that she might propound, and that this league should be made and ratified immediately after 'the marriage consummate :'
Her Majesty, after request made to the commissioners to yield her most hearty thanks to the king for his honourable and friendly offer, being desirous to know whether they had authority to treat upon the particulars depending thereon, was answered that they had no such authority ; but they wished her to set down reasonably the particulars of her demands, and if she would make promise to marry, they would give her assurance that the king would assent, on those demands, to the league. Thereupon, their longer stay here being found unnecessary, they were dismissed ; but before their departure prayed her Majesty that her ambassador resident in France might have instructions sent him to propound the particular demands and so proceed to the treaty of them ; whereunto her Majesty, not meaning to relinquish the matter, has for the better direction of the ambassador sent a special messenger to the king and Queen Mother, fully instructed to negotiate with them as follows :
First, the king is to be let understand, according to the former advice given by her ambassador, how necessary it is for them both to enter into some confederacy to stay the growing greatness of the King of Spain, which if not prevented, considering what treasures he will draw from the East and West Indies if suffered quietly to possess them, the credit he has in Italythe Pope and most of the Italian princes being at his devotionhis alliance in Germany and his late pretensions in Scotland, it is apparent will be dangerous not only to the two Crowns of England and France, but also to all Europe. Since considering the second article of these instructions, we have thought it meet to change the copy, and in place of it and the rest that follow to add the two following. Touching the rest of the instructions, containing a 'supposal' of objections, and the answers thereto, you shall, as occasion is given, continue our answers, if the same objections are made. Considering the marriage, which must not be with any charge to her Majesty or her realm to enter into a present war, she is desirous to know whether Monsieur's action in the Low Countries may not effectually be pursued by the help of those countries, and by the king and Monsieur, without any charge to her or her realm, for otherwise she cannot without offence to her realm assent to it. If the king says that he cannot promise to aid his brother as effectually as the cause requires, without giving just occasion to the King of Spain to enter into a war, and that he does not mean to do, 'without' he may be assured that the Queen will join with him, it may be enquired of him whether it were not good for all parties, the marriage not taking place, that a confederation should be made between him and her, whereby both the King of Spain might be stayed from his over-greatness and Monsieur helped in this action ; this to be done on the part of the French king and on the Queen's part either indirectly underhand or directly overtly, as shall be thought meetest by those empowered to treat thereon. In case the king shall object, as it is likely he will :(1) That there cannot be the same security for the continuance of the league without as with marriage ;
(2) That in reason the subjects of this realm should be more willing to expose their lives in assisting the duke in the Low Countries when they shall have hope that the issues with which God may bless her Majesty and him will possess such conquests as he may perform, than when they can enjoy no part of the fruits of their hazard and expense ;
(3) That the king, seeing it necessary for his brother to marry, shall be forced, as one following fortune, if this marriage does not proceed, to join in amity with those princes 'where his brother shall match.' If this falls out to be with Spain, as by great offers he is likely to be 'provoked thereunto,' this intended league cannot continue ;
To these objections it may be replied as follows :
(1) If it is conceived that the amity cannot be so sound without as with marriage, the consequence would be infallible if it were altogether grounded on marriage. But seeing that it has for its foundation the necessity of mutual defence, this cannot but carry continuance, for no bond is of more force than that which is grounded upon necessity, and where both parties profit by the confederacy, and shall find their states endangered if they do not make it, or dissolve it when made. Besides, experience confirmed by sundry examples teaches that it does not always fall out that those amities are soundest that are grounded on marriage.
(2) It may be answered that generally subjects rather behold and are touched by the grievance of present charges, than duly weigh future benefits ; and therefore they will better 'allow' that, the marriage not proceeding, some such course may be held that the contribution to be yielded may be 'done' underhand, and so an open war, subject to infinite incommodities, avoided ; whereas, if it proceeds, they do not see, the duke being before marriage entered into an open war, how it may be eschewed.
(3) It is to be replied that those who know the integrity of the duke can never think that he will for any respect be induced to assent to so unlawful a match 'by too near a degree in blood,' being a thing condemned both by the laws of God and nature ; and therefore cannot think that he will bend his choice that way. As for the great offers that may be made him by Spain, the experience of the not performing of like offers heretofore, which have served only to put by such attempts as would otherwise have been made against 'him,' ought to lead the king and his brother to discern the 'abuse' of such offers. Besides, while the matter is in treaty, the King of Spain being suffered to proceed with the 'recovery' of the conquest belonging to the Crown of Portugal, and also to prosecute without impeachment the war in the Low Countries, it is likely his progress will be such that he will not need afterwards to fear any hindrance that may be given by either France or England. Then, being beforehand, the pride of the Spanish nature being duly considered, it may be thought what performance is likely to follow of such large offers as he was forced to make, to serve his turn in necessity ; especially when their accomplishment is likely to make him great, whose strength he ought in course of policy by all means to abate. Besides these objections it is very probable that the king will allege that the treaty of marriage between her Majesty and his brother has proceeded so far that he cannot see but that the breach will not only be dishonourable to him and to his brother, but also to herself, and therefore will earnestly insist that it may go forward, offering that whereas she objects his brother's enterprise in the Low Countries as the chief impediment, in view of her 'subjects'' dislike to it, his brother shall abandon it if she thinks good. To this it may be answered that forasmuch as great causes are subject to great impediments, if those to which this match is subject be duly looked into, it may appear to the world that the not proceeding with it is grounded on good respects, so that the supposed dishonour to fall out by the breach of it may well be helped ; for it is well known that the only and principal cause that has moved her Majesty to incline to marriage has been to content her subjects, who a few years ago were importunate upon her to yield to marriage ; which now of late falling out otherwise, contrary to her expectation, now when the matter is growing to a conclusion, she considers how great a grief it may be both to the duke and to her, to see it accompanied with a general discontentment of her people. This she thinks most necessary to be laid down plainly before the king, before proceeding further in that behalf. And touching the abandonment of the enterprise in the Low Countries, her Majesty, foreseeing the dishonour that will light on the Duke thereby, having engaged himself so far as he has, as also the danger that will grow to this part of Christendom if the enterprise should be abandoned and the King of Spain suffered to to go on with his designs, would be loth that by her not consenting to marriage, there should ensue such evil effects that thereby both the honour of the duke should be touched and the King of Spain have an open way to conquest there ; matter not more harmful to her than to the King of France. She offers therefore, rather than leave it, to give assistance underhand, with some 'convenient charge.' If the king is satisfied by the answer made to any objections alleged by him, and thereby be induced to give ear to the league without marriage, then offer may be made to him to enter into treaty as to particulars. Forasmuch as two ways to abate the King of Spain's greatness have already been propounded by certain of the King's ministers appointed to treat with her Majesty's ambassador there ; one, by assisting Don Antonio to recover Portugal, and the other by supporting the king's brother in the Low Countries ; it is likely that both these 'purposes' will be renewed, and therefore the king's mind is to be felt, in what sort he would desire her Majesty to proceed in either. The first point to be considered therein, is whether the support is to be given underhand or openly ; and here, since his brother is entering into open action, it is most likely that the king will require that her Majesty will enter into open hostility. He is therefore to be shown that she will thereby receive greater disadvantage than will he, for her subjects have always great quantity of goods remaining in Spain, and the King of Spain's subjects no goods in any of her dominions ; so that in case of an arrest, which is likely if she enters into open hostility, it would be more grievous to her subjects than to his, who could be relieved with the goods which Spanish subjects have in his dominions. If hereupon the king may be induced to allow that any support given by her shall be 'done' underhand, in case he proceeds to demand what treasure she is willing to contribute towards the enterprises, request is to be made that the cost of them, and the time of their continuance, may be set down ; after which she will be content to contribute as according to the proportion of her estate may reasonably be required of her. If they require to understand this more particularly, it may be answered that she will be content to contribute a fourth part of the charges, either openly or secretly as we may agree ; and will also cause something to be attempted by sea that shall more annoy the King of Spain than the employment of 10,000 men by land. Finally, in case the king persists in this matter of marriage, and says that he will not treat of any league until he has a decision thereon, you shall say that you have no authority to deal further in that matter of marriage ; but that you will advertise us of his answer ; as we desire you to do with speed. 'Post date.'Whereas we have thought it meet that the subject of this negotiation shall be communicated to M. d'Anjou before you treat with the king, you John Somer shall by appointment meet on the way with de Vray or any other confident person whom Monsieur shall send to meet you, so that he being informed of your charge may return to his master to know his opinion ; of which bring speedy advertisement to Paris, before you repair to the king. And our meaning is that so far as the two new-added articles may bear it, you shall conform your proceeding as near as you can to his contentment. Draft, with some marginal headings by Walsingham. Endd. by L. Cave. 8 pp. [France V. 91.]
226. Fair copy of the above. 7 pp. [Ibid. V. 91a.]
June 20. 227. N. COLD [?] to MADAME DE MARCHAUMONT.
I am very sorry that my presence was not able to afford you the complete settlement of your affairs, but the cause of the delay has been the opposition raised by M. le Prince [?]. They have stayed it to have your procuration [?] which being passed you will be dispatched without difficulty, for which I have expressly charged the officers of Melun. Failing this I will not fail to see that you get out of it.Melun, 20 June 1581. Add. Note on back by Mme de Marchaumont : Knowing he was at Melun, I wrote to him about your matter. A little letter to thank him would not be a bad thing. Fr. p. [Ibid. V. 92.]