Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Lunae, 1 Martii
Negotiations with Spain.
Let our principal Care now be salus reipublicae. If we go on, we shall be caught in a Net; the poorest and basest Way of being destroyed. - Not likely they will alter a Ground of State for a Compliment. Let us look on the Face of Christendom now abroad. For the Palatinate -
Sir Geo. Moore: - This a Cause of the greatest Weight, that ever he knew within theseWalls. - In such Businesses, to go on with a slow Pace. To begin with One first. - God having managed all this Business, and miraculously brought home our Prince again- -
This Treaty the best Army the King of Spaine hath had these many Years. We have lost our Friends abroad, ourselves at home, and almost God Almighty. This being so, let us make no long stand, but conclude, we think not fit to continue this Treaty any longer. -
2ly, The Palatinate. - Can hardly name it, but with Sighs and Sobs. - Routed all our Party in Germany: Occasioned more Loss of Christian Blood, than Charles the Vth lost: Lost our Reputation. - To cover this, not to go thither. - Spaine first got it, and still defend it. He the first Mover: The great Wheel, that moves all the little ones. - Thinks, they never intended the Palatinate, in regard of the necessary Use they have of it. - Rome and Spaine good Friends : Laugh, and weep, together.
Sir Miles Fleetwood: - Hopes, this Parliament will prove like the Mount Pisga, from whence Balaam blessed Israel. - Observes some Passages in this Treaty; - The Persons, by whom we have suffered; the Ministers of Spaine: They pretended a Marriage, but never intended.
- The Persons we are honoured by: The Prince first. - We may admire his Constancy, that would not forget the Songs of Jerusalem in a strange Land. He the Hopes of our succeeding Happiness. 2. The Duke of Buckingham, who much to be honoured for his Employment. -
1. Against Religion : . . . The Honour of the King: 3. The Peace of our State, l. Against Religion. That like the Ark of God among the Israelites. - Qui non videt, caecus est; qui non agnoscit, ingratus. - Against the Honour of our King, whose Honour it hath been to be the Defender of the Faith. - Against the Peace of the Kingdom.- - What Peace can be expected from them?
Sir Fra. Seymour: - As we are One Body, so let us, with One Heart and Affection, give Counsel and Advice to his Majesty. We have found, though contrary to his Majesty's Intention, that our Religion hath lost much by means of the Spanish Agents here. - Have not left unattempted the Prince his Highness, and the Duke. In the Midst of this Treaty, the King of Spaine hath turned our King's Daughter, and her Children, out of Doors. In the third Place, this Match can be no Ways beneficial to this Kingdom. - No Benefit of Alliance; for they hold us for Heretiques : - If Portion; that turned into a Pension, and a few Jewels, which may hap to be counterfeit. - To have a Period forthwith put to this Treaty :
- And, that his Majesty would be pleased, to treat no longer of the Palatinate, but leave that to the Care of his loving Subjects. - Doubts not, but we shall either restore them, or change for the better. -
Sir Jo. Elliott: - Fitter for us to do, than speak. - Signified to us at the last Conference, that our Ships stayed in Spaine. - To advise his Majesty, for setting forth his own Fleet, to require of the Recusants, a present Supply of Money.
Serjeant Hicham: - If in the Case of a private Person, to be deceived Two or Three Times, an Imputation to his Judgment, to trust again. - This Matter so clear and evident, that no Man questions it. If Gundomar himself
Duke of Buckingham.
The Lords have sent this Message: That, whereas on Friday last they sent to this House, to intimate to us, that they had cleared my Lord of Buckingham by a general Vote, and purposed, by a Committee, to represent it to the King; they desire to explain themselves thus far, that they did not mean to divide or go apart from this House, in regard delivered before both Houses : - To proceed together.
Mr. Solicitor reports from the Committee, appointed to take into Consideration the Dishonour done to my Lord Duke, and this House. - Resolved there to go singly by ourselves, and by the Mouth of the Speaker. Directions set down in Writing.
In the great Business, wherein his Majesty desires the speedy Advice of both Houses, the Lords intreat a Conference, of a Committee of both Houses, To-morrow, at Two a Clock, in the Hall at Whitehall; or else as soon as can be.
Sir Rob. Philips: - In our Care to save Time, we use the Means to lose Time. - As our Affections carry us apace, so to proceed likewise with Judgment. - To return this Answer: That our Care and Affection shall make all the Speed may be : If we can prepare Business, will meet them To-morrow; if not, shall hear . . us To-morrow.
Mr. Alford: - The Lords provided : Divers here not spoke; nor no Heads agreed on. - Then to chuse Six or Eight to speak, and answer, at this Conference. - Not to be engaged. If To-morrow ready, to send to the Lords.
Answer to the Message: This House hath a Care and Affection to speed this great Business : If with Conveniency they can, they will be ready to meet the Lords To- morrow; if not, they shall hear from us To-morrow.
Duke of Buckingham.
Secretary Calvert: - A Message from the King. - The Two Secretaries commanded by him: - That he takes Notice of some Informations in this House against my Lord Keeper. - The Keeper ready to answer these : - But desires, this House not too ready and apt to entertain Complaints against such Officers, unless it be for Matter of Corruption.
To meet in Afternoon.
Negotiations, with Spain.
Sir Jo. Strangewaies: - The first Mover in this Business moved. - To do with the greatest and potentest King in the World. - First, to secure ourselves at home; and after, to maintain a War abroad. - To secure the Kingdom. - A fair Precedent.
To confine the greatest Recusants here. - This will take away a great deal of his Party. - To have Order for the Providing of the trained Soldiers. - Come to 100 and 60 thousand Men. - To settle these; then to have such Fortifications made on the Sea-coasts, as formerly. This for home. - To have the Penalty of the Statute put in Execution against Recusants.
Sir Edw. Sandys: - The Original of our Consultation now from his Majesty. - To restrain our Answer directly to his Majesty's Propositions: Neither to come short, nor exceed. At this Time to go no farther than the King's Proposition, whether it may be fit for him to continue any longer his Treaties with Spaine. - Treaties, the Spanish Game. We have played long with them at their own Game. - Cum cancrem reges et proelia, Cynthius aurem vellit. - To give the Lords a Reason, why to break these Treaties. - Do as Counsellors should do. - First, this Afternoon, to debate, whether -
Committee to sit, &c.
Ordered, That the Committee of Privileges shall take this into Consideration; and search ancient Precedents, in what Manner the Clerk of this House hath used to take Notes, and make Entries; and to report the same to the House.
Petition to the King.
Sir Edw. Seimour : - Five Ships now going to the Indies, wherein 1,000 Mariners, 800 Barrels of Powder. - To have the House take Notice of this. - All the Shipping of the West Country at Newfound-land, a fishing.
Mr. Abbot: - True, Four Ships prepared for the Indies: Intelligence from thence, Eight Galeons, and Two Carracks, made ready for those Parts : A Ship or Two at home, of 800 Tun a-piece. If these Ships stayed, a great Prejudice [to] the Kingdom.
Duke of Buckingham.
Sir Edw Coke reports from the Lords. - A great Correspondence between the Lords and us. - Lord of Canterbury delivered the very Vote of this House ; that the Matter, delivered by my Lord of Buckingham, did lead him to speak what he had. - They had cleared him from Blame, and thought him worthy of Honour and Thanks. We agreed with them in all; and said also, how sensible this House was of these undue Informations. -
The Words : - That the Matter led my Lord of Buckingham to speak what he did ; and that he was so far from deserving Blame, that he deserved Honour and Thanks from both Houses, from the King and Commonwealth. -
Negotiations with Spaine.
Speaker went into his Chair; and Sir Edwin Sands reports from the great Committee. - They have, with an unanimous Consent, resolved, that this House should give the King Advice, to break off both Treaties. They also think fit to have a select Committee, to draw certain Grounds and Reasons, to fortify their Advice and Opinions.
Agreed also, upon Question, that a select Committee of Twelve shall be named, to set down and collect their Reasons, to fortify this Opinion of this House, at the Conference with the Lords: - Presently. Court of Wards; and To-morrow, at Nine Clock, to report to the House. -
Sir Edw. Coke, Sir Edw. Sandys, Mr. Recorder, Sir Nath. Rich, Sir Edw. Cecill, Sir Rob. Philips, Sir Rob. Mansill, Sir Dud. Diggs, Sir Ben. Ridiard, Chancellor Exchequer, Secretary Calvert, Chancellor Duchy, Mr. Solicitor.