Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Martis, 2o Martii
L. 1a. AN Act for the Confirming and Assuring of the Manors of New-Langporte, and Sevans, alias, Sephans, with their Appurtenances, and divers other Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, in the County of Kent, late being the Inheritance of Sir Hen. James, Knight, in a Praemunire convicted, unto Martin Lumley, now Lord Mayor of the City of London, Alice Woodroffe, Widow, and Edward Cropley, and their Heirs and Assigns for ever.
Bills in last Parliament.
Ld. Mountacue's Estate.
L. 1a. An Act for the Transferring of divers Manors, Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, heretofore assured by the now Lord Viscount Mountacue, for the Discharge of certain Trusts, to the late Lord Dormer, Sir Fran. Inglefeild Baronet, and Sir Jo. Dormer Knight, and their Heirs, upon Sir George Moore, and Sir John Walter, Knights, and Thomas Spencer Esquire, and their Heirs, for the Performance of the same Trusts.
Burlomacchi, &c, Nat.
Van de Put's Nat.
Two Indentures returned : Yarrowd in both. Question for other Two. All held this a void Return, for the In-certainty. For the Election, thus: Pretended, Mr. Mingy should use indirect Passages, by keeping out the Burgesses; but this not proved. Again said, the Indenture rased; but this appeared not neither. Mingy brought a Witness or Two, that he the most Voices, upon Oath : One Witness to the contrary; who said, Mingy most Voices at first, but after not, when a Course taken for Discovery, Mingy offered to give them Thanks : They cryed, " for nought;" and cryed, "No Mingy." - One Circumstance more: - Charged Mr. Bromfeild, that his Indenture antedated. - The Sense of the Committee, that, if the Election due, that no Misdemeanor. Bromfeild offered to relinquish to Mingy, but that not enough after he was chosen. - Leaves the Consideration of this to the House.
Bills of last Parliament.
Negotiations, with Spain.
Sir Rob. Philips: - These Reasons make him approve that Opinion, that Princes seldom find good Effects, where they seek. - Approves of these Reasons, as they stand. For the last Part, of the Palatinate, thinks, it may be enlarged by some demonstrative Particulars. Observed, that when first the Minister of Spaine, Spinola, raised his Forces, we were persuaded, that it was to pass for Bohemia, to assist Bohemia: At same Time, we had a Proposition from Spaine, that our King should join with Spaine against the Turkish Pirates. As soon as our Navy was gone, Spinola goes into the Palatinate, and seizes it. This Demonstration enough, to discern the Intention of all their Treaties. Our King after sent to the Arch-duchess; who first discovered, and gave the first Hint. When he came there, found Cause to hope a Cessation from Arms: In the mean time, take Heidelberg and Manheim: - Imperial Forces and Spanish Forces together; Gonsales, and Tilly: - Lost, even when they had our Prince with them. He hoped to keep the Electorate from Bavaria; yet then the Electorate
transferred on Bavaria, and approved on by Spaine. - Now to meet the Lords. - If we resolve, this Afternoon, obliged to send a Message. - Thinks, it may be. - 1. May be, the Lords will declare what they have done in their Treaties : 2. Will descend to give us their Reasons: 3. Will tell us, if theirs satisfy us, they are glad of it. -
Likely, the Lords will declare the Resolution of their House, to break off the Treaties. - To have an Addition. To have Thanks given to the Lords, for their Desire of good Correspondence with, and then to desire them to join with us, to give Thanks to the Prince; and to desire him to give Thanks to his Father, for calling this Parliament; and to desire him also, that publick Thanks may be given to God by the whole Kingdom.
Sir Edw. Cooke reports from the Lords. - Delivered the Message. - Commanded by Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, - that the great Committee of the whole House would give their Lordships Meeting this Afternoon, at the Time and Place appointed. - Prince excepted against him, because he omitted, " House of Commons." -
Aliquid desideratur. - Ever look to the End. - When we meet with the Lords, thinks we shall agree. - To add One Thing more : That it will please their Lordships to join in Petition to his Majesty, that, seeing he hath had the Advice of his whole Kingdom, that he will publish his Royal Determination hereupon. - This will be a Guide to our subsequent Business, and give us great Alacrity to proceed in our other Business - Never saw any Petition from the Lords and us, but the King granted it.
Mr. Treasurer: - Something to be added to these Reasons ; and directed that these Gentlemen shall be silent upon them, if the Lords forestall us in them. - Not of that Mind. - A more orderly Proceeding, to proceed gradatim with them, - To deliver our Reasons as fully too.
Mr. Glanvyle: - Consider the End of this Meeting. - The Lords say, they and we should join in a Representation of our Advice to his Majesty. This must be by the Speaker of the Lords House. If we give Power to a Sub-committee, necessary to send a Message to the Lords, that they will give Power to some of their House, as a Sub-committee, to this End.
Agreed, upon Question, that, if the Lords, at the Conference this Afternoon, shall desire a Sub-committee of both Houses, to digest these Reasons, and make them ready for the King, that then this Committee shall have Power to appoint a Sub-committee for this Purpose.
Mr. Treasurer, Sir Edw. Cooke, Sir Edwin Sandys, Sir Robert Philips, Sir Nath. Rich, Solicitor, Recorder, Sir Dud. Diggs: These are appointed to manage the Business at the Conference; and to agree among themselves, who shall make the Report.