Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Jovis, 4 Martii
Negotiations with Spaine.
Sir Dud. Diggs reports from the Conference from the Lords Yesterday. - The Prince present. - 1. Overture, the Causes of the Conference: - Two: 1. To add the Knowledge of some Particulars: 2. To deliver such Reasons, that had been the Ground of our Advice. - Of the Particulars, Two : 1. Out of a Declaration to Bristo; heretofore to Somerset, for Prince Henry. - A Correspondence in that -
A Practice from Spaine, to entangle our Prince: To keep him from Marriage. A Note by the way, that strange, the same Person should set the Marriage on foot again; being it was declared by them, that, unless our Prince would turn Catholique, could be no Treaty. -
Told him, he doubted, he had no Warrant to set any such Thing a-foot - 16 March, Spanish Ambassador dealt with him, and endeavoured to make Somerset Spanish, and to further this Match. - Answered him -
Divers Rubs and Difficulties in it - 9 April, gave a Pill in a Paper. - Three Reasons: - That, if the King of Spaine would set down, verbo regio, fide Chistiana, and not urge unreasonable Things in Matter of Religion. - 1. Would have it done verbo regio, because some Wrong done to this Kingdom by Treaties with Spaine; further, some Letters of Charles the Vth; wherein appeared, that he woed the King to this Match, and did this, to break the Marriage with France; and drew him into a
Prince replied, " This Work to be, done for the Satisfaction of my Father." After this, my Lord Canterbury remembered the Three Supplements delivered the Day before by my Lord Keeper, 1. That this Overture first came from Spaine. - Prince mentioned a Letter of Sir Jo. Digby, 3 Jan. 1614. So that appears, they did not only invite us, but on purpose to abuse us. That Letter here. - Then descended to the second Supplement, con-concerning the Palatinate; wherein appeared the Fickleness of the Spanish Promises. - That Answer to tripartite Proposition: To the last, negative, contrary to former Promises, as appeared by sundry Letters; the Effect of all, that That State would assist: The King of Spaine would assist our King by Arms against the Emperor. - 3d Supplement, the Remembrance of an heroical and princely Act of his Highness. -
Sent to the Commissioners this Message; That, although Affection, and Desire of Alliance had brought him in that Manner thither, yet would never be so base, as to go in the same Manner out of Spaine - Told Grimes, he should say nothing of these Reports; but, if he heard he were stayed, should tell his Majesty, that he should not any longer respect him, and think on him as his Son, but reflect his Royal Thoughts -
Duke of Buckingham omitted something the last Narration : Supplied it now. Remembered, that Gundomar formerly offered the King the Title of the United Provinces : Only used it to keep us from giving them Assistance; and further, after a Commission sent into Spaine, to treat, never revived that Proposition. Here my Lord Duke spake of the vast and unlimited Ambition of the Spanish State. - Aimed at the universal Monarchy of the whole World: Could not be Master of the Sea, if we and the Low Countries joined together. - Then fell an Occasion to speak - a Member of this House, employed in Savoy: Tended to these Ends: 1. To shew, that this Artifice of Treaty no new Thing with the Spaniard. Instanced the Marriage of Savoy with Spaine. -
Sir Isaac Wake: - After this, pleased the Prince to remember another Passage: That my Lord Bristo, being to negotiate with the Emperor, and meeting Spinola, told him, now he hoped, we should have a full Restitution of the Palatinate. Spinola replied, " It may be so, if our Rebels here may be suppressed." To fortify this, Buckingham remembered, that, upon Conference with Gundomar told him, impossible to make it a Match, unless our King would assist them against the Low Countries. - Called, my Lord Chamberlain remembered, that, when the Archduchess' Ministers here, the Reply was, " In Case the Rebels of the Low Countries may be reduced to the
Obedience of Spaine. This confirmed by my Lord of Carlisle. Prince remembered One Thing more; that, when Bristo delivered what passed between Spinola and him, Bristo answered, " Stands not with my Honour to permit it: Found them a free State, and so would leave them." - Then pleased One of the Committee to make some short Introduction to their Lordships: Gave some Reasons of his own. 1. By these Treaties the King, by them, would suffer a Diminution in point of Sovereignty. - A great Increase of those Persons, that would depend on Spaine. 2. Observed, what they put upon us. When the Dispensation came from Rome, accompanied with this Charge, that the King of Spaine should take an Oath, in hostile Manner to invade the King of England, if he should not perform - When we treated as Lovers, they treated as Enemies, by Cannons. - 1. Reason in Charge to deliver, an immoderate Demand of Connivence, 2ly, The Increase of the Popish Party. 3ly, Their deluding his Majesty with Hope of Peace, and, under Colour of that, to afflict. 4ly, In professing Friendship to us, professes Enmity to the King's Children. 5ly, Their delaying his Majesty with Multiplicity of Treaties. Lastly, their uncivil Pressing of the Prince to change his Religion.
Satisfaction, and to justify our Proceedings. - Desired to have a Copy of these Reasons of ours. - Duke of Buckingham intimated, that he had lately written to his Majesty, what Time both Houses should attend him. - Answered, not well disposed in his Health: Should certainly know next Morning. Yesterday received from him, that he had not been well. - Should hear further from them, e'er long. - Their Lordships would meet at Eight a Clock, and desired our Committee to meet them at Ten.
Mr. Treasurer: - A short Particular concerning Gundomar. When he came out of France, where managed the Treaty there, Gundomar visited him often. - Told him, they had out-bid France - 12 score Thousand: - They offered 600,000. - Said, true, they would be ready to give that, and a greater Sum, so that they might obtain their desire in advancing their Religion. - Spaine needed not seek to advance themselves by Alliance: - The best Blood among them in Christendom. - But, to advance their Religion, would bring their Indies. The Thing, his Master aimed at, was, to advance his Religion. - Next Time he came to him asked him plainly One
Sir Edw. Cooke: - A little Relation to him. - Committed Sir Rob. Cotton, when Chief Justice, and understood, he had Intelligence with the Spanish Ambassador; Questioned him for it: For no Subject ought to converse and * with Ambassadors, without the King's Leave. - But, for the Offence he committed him, his general Pardon from the King.
Sir Edw. Sandys: - Not added any Reasons of his own, but enlarged them. - * One Thing suggested to him by a Member of this . . The Spanish State wrought with an Engine upon all the King's Subjects. This concerned the King in point of Sovereignty : For that Religion hath immediate Dependance on the King of Spaine. -
Sir James Perrot: - Not to deliver these Reasons in Writing. - To have them delivered by Word of Mouth. Mr. Recorder: - Not to deny a Delivery of them. - To have Sir Edw. Sandys, and Two Reporters retire into Committee Chamber, and set down that new Enlargement of the other Reasons; then to read them; then to order, that they may be delivered into the Prince his Hand, if he please to communicate them. - Agreed.
Mayor of Winchelsey.
Negotiations with Spaine.
- Sent to Spaine, and brought back word, that it was not feasible. Savoy sent to Rome himself. - In less than Six Months, - that it was lawful: - Clogged with no other Conditions, but this; that she should procure as favourable Conditions, as might be, for the Catholiques in England,
Sir Edw. Sandys: - This Afternoon, Committee for Matter of Trade. This Day Sevennight Committee began to sit: Set the Matter in an Order, and resolved to begin with the Causes general of Decay. - Three Heads: Overcharge; Restraint; and Want of Money. - Resolved likewise to begin with Restraint of Trade. - Probable, that a great Supply to be made to his Majesty, upon the Breach of these Treaties; therefore to enable the Subject. - Three or Four Propositions. - Took into Consideration, how that his Majesty's Commissioners have already taken a great deal of Pains in it. - The Desire of the Committee, to have a Sight of their Labours. - To have some choice Messengers sent to my Lord Treasurer, to desire him to send, to this House, the Labours of the last Parliament. 3. Motion, they desire to have another Day added.
Ordered, That the Labours of the King's Commissioners for Trade, shall be brought to the Committee; and my Lord Treasurer to be requested to send, to the Chancellor Exchequer, the Labours of the last Parliament.
Merchants of the Staple.
Negotiations with Spaine.
Spent the Morning in Examination of Sir Rich. Weston's Negotiation; in which they find other Things to communicate to us. - Gave great Approbation of our Reasons Yesterday. - Some Explanation in some Things. -
Secretary Culvert: - One Thing material; the * given away, contrary to a late Treaty ; after, Heidelberg, Manheim, and Franckendale, to be offered into their Hands, by way of Sequestration. - Voiscol came over to them : A Treaty made : One Article, that no Innovation should be. Contrary to this, they gave away this to the Bishop of Mentz.
Negotiations with Spaine.
Chancellor Exchequer: - The Occasion of his sending to the Arch-duchess. - One Reason, excepted against the Validity of his Commission. Every Day after some Defect or other in the Commission. - The Infanta no Power, when he came. -