Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Jovis, 11 Martii
Bishop of Coventry.
L. 1a. AN Act of Explanation of a former Statute, made in the 23th Year of the Reign of the late Queen Elizabeth, intituled, An Act for Assurance of the yearly Rent of 82 Pounds and 10s. to the Bishop of Coventry and Lichfeild, and his Successors for ever, out of certain Manors, Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, thereby assured to Edward Fisher Esquire, and his Heirs.
Duchy of Cornwall.
Mr. Wentworth: - Four into Consideration : Whether not a Necessity of sending Men into Germany: 2. What Number: 3. What Money: 4. What the best Means to raise it with most Speed. For the first, Four Motives : 1.
The present Danger of that Place, considering the many Armies ready to be poured down upon them. Admitting this, the second Motive, the Consideration of their Nearness in Situation : 2ly, In Amity and Confederation. 3. Vinculum inter Deum, et homines, Religion. 4. The Preservation of the noble Queen of Bohemia, and her Issue. The Part of this Kingdom. 5. The Consideration of our own Welfare, - Tum tua res agitur, paries - To resolve speedily on this.
Secretary Conway : - To go upon short Lines in this Business. - To go to the Business. - These Things, of the Low Countries, after the King's Declaration. - To consider now the State where we are. - If the Treaties go, the Low Countries lost; if not go on with them, must needs have a War. - Then what to do ? - To give the King such an Answer, as that he may declare himself: The rest will follow in their Time.
Sir Edw. Cecill:- - We have given Advice to his Majesty : He hath sent a wise Answer : Ventured his Son, his Estate; Spent more in Treaty, than all the War, he can make this Year, will come to. A Vanity in us to desire him to war, if not assured necessary, and just. - Remember the Reputation of the House: Go upon our first Grounds. - Not possible for them to give the Palatinate.
Sir Edw. Sandys : - No greater Enemy to Consultation, than Precipitation; nor to Action, than Delay. - To proceed lento pede. To go this Day but One Step : Not presently to rush into a War. - Not a necessary immediate Consequence. - Bellum non recte geritur, nisi rebus repetitis et declaratis. - First to demand a Restitution. - For to return this Answer; that, if he will be pleased to take our Advice, we will not fail him, but assist him, according to our Abilities : Then will come fitly into Debate, the Consequence of this. -
As necessary to enable the People to make Supply, as to give, by taking away Grievances ; but doubtful, whether to make mention of this at this Time. - To have it, according to the Measure of our Abilities, - To send to the Lords, that we have taken into dutiful Consideration the Answer : That we desire a Conference with their Lordships, what Answer to give to his Majesty.
Mr. Brooke: - Find now true, that this Court a Council of State. The Report made of the King's Wants, not to amuse, or amaze, any Man here; but, to let us know, he is not able to disburse any more. - Not to go to the Lords To-day, nor to a Committee presently. To consider wherein the Charge will lie.
- Humores moti, et non remoti, ladunt corpus. - Thinks this a just War. - No Process of Law to recover the Palatinate ; therefore must be by Cannon Shot. King hath demanded the Palatinate, and they have not delivered it: That a Denial. - Not ripe for a Message to the Lords. - Now the Time that Kings go forth to Battle. - Delay wounds this Cause. - If Ireland secured, the Navy furnished, the Low Countries assisted, will not care for Pope.
Turk, Spaine, nor all the Devils in Hell. - Take the Way to persuade the King to declare. This will not be by Generalities. - To-morrow Morning to read the King's Proposition. And then to consider our Answer. - Nec quies gentium sine armis.
Mr. Glanvyle:- - The Work of this Day Twofold : 1. To give Advice, how it may stand with his Conscience and Honour. - Not resolved on War: But as much in Effect will put no Scorn on us. - Nor brook a Furrow of Land. -
Sir Rob. Philips : - The Proposition of War not now seasonable. Fit now for us to justify our Advice, that, in case his Majesty will break the Treaties, we will assist, &c. - To resolve this Point, that we will assist his Majesty, as far as shall be convenient.
Nothing in the King's Doubts, which should retard his Majesty's Resolution to declare. - All is weak now, will be much weaker hereafter. - Not to put to the Question, whether we shall assist his Majesty in our Advice : To have it done by a general Acclamation, because such Rumours abroad, of our Backwardness to come unto it.
Mr. Recorder : - The King gives God Thanks, with all the Faculties of his Mind, for our Advice ; no Doubt therefore, but he will follow it. - Not to enter into a Question, not warranted by the Speech. - War not our Question now; nor, whether the King may make War, with Honour and Conscience. Hopes the King's Conscience will agree with all our Consciences. - To have the Question single. - That we should make an Answer, that, if he declare to break off the Treaties, we would be ready, to our best Abilities, to assist him.
Resolved, upon Question, That, in Pursuit of our Advice, we will be ready, upon his Majesty's Declaration to break off both the Treaties, to assist, both with our Persons and Abilities, in a parliamentary Manner. This done with a general Acclamation, without any One Voice to the contrary.
The Lords have sent this Message : That whereas, upon Report made to their Lordships this Day, by the Lord Treasurer, of his Majesty's Estate, they conceive, the like here done ; Doubts there arise ; they think, the like may be here ; they desire a Meeting, with all convenient Speed ; where the Prince will be, to clear all Doubts. -
Mr. Treasurer, Two Secretaries of State, Chancellor Exchequer, Sir Edward Coke, Sir Edw. Sandys, Sir Jo. Savyle, Sir Dud. Digs, Sir Rob. Philips, Sir Will. Herbert, Sir Nicolas Tufton, Sir Jo. Epsley, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Comptroller, Sir Fra. Cottington, Sir Ben. Ridiard, Sir Tho. Savyle, Mr. Alford, Lord Candish, Sir Fra. Seymour, Sir Alex. St. John, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Isaac Wake, Sir Rob. Harley, Sir Rob. Pye, Sir John Ellyot, Mr. Recorder, Sir Natha. Rich, Sir Will. Strode, Chancellor Duchy, Sir Fra. Barrington, Sir Miles Fleetwood, Sir Hen. Poole, Sir John Hobart, Sir Lewis Watson, Sir Tho. Lucy, Sir Roger North, Sir Edw. Villiers, Sir Peter Hayman, Sir Edw. Cecill, Mr. Drake, Mr. Glanvill, Sir Hen. Fane, Sir Will. Spencer, Sir John Scudamore, Sir Percy Herbert, Mr. Selden.
Message from Lords.
Resolved, Upon Question, To defer this Report till Tomorrow Morning; and the Committees to meet this Afternoon, and confer their Notes together. Mr. Chancellor, and the Two Secretaries to make the Report.