House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 13 June 1607 (2nd scribe)

Saturni, 13 die Junii, 1607

Essex' Estate.

2. Reading: - B. For the Sale of certain of the Lands of William Essex Esquire, for Payment of his Debts : - Sir Henry Nevill, Sir John Savill, Mr. Bacchus, Sir Tho. Freak, Sir Edw. Grevill, Sir Fr. Goodwyn, Sir Rob. Oxenbridge, Sir Henry Poole, Mr. Hyde, Sir John Harper, Mr. Bowyer, Sir John Jeffreyes, Mr. Hoskins, Sir Valentyne Knightley, Sir Wm. Smyth, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Antho. Cope, Mr. Wymark, Sir Hugh Beeston, Mr. Fr. Moore, Sir Gam. Capell, Mr. Wentworth, Sir John Boys, Sir Roger Owen, Mr. Brock, Sir Tho. Horsman, Sir Jerome Horsey: - This Afternoon, Temple Hall. Counsel to be heard pro et contra.

Such, as desire to be heard by their Counsel, pro et contra, in this Bill, are allowed by the House to attend at the Committee.

Going to Foreign Countries.

The Bill touching the Restraint of going into foreign Countries, &c. with a new Proviso, first put to Question :

The Bill and Proviso to be ingrossed.

Sewers.

Sir Fr. Barrington: - That the Bill of Sewers might be put off till Monday: - But Mr. Speaker -

Private Acts.

This Afternoon the Committee for preventing Fraud, and Wrong-doing, in private Acts of Parliament, - in the Exchequer Chamber.

Privilege in Suit at Law.

A Petition of Sir Rob. Brett, touching Privilege granted to Sir Rob. Johnson, read in the House : Which was not allowed; but the Privilege, formerly granted, affirmed: - Upon this Reason, That no Man should have any thing to withdraw him.

Union with Scotland.

Mr. Fr. Moore moveth, that, for the Four Points of Treason, we need not dispute ; but only of the Point of Witnesses.

Mr. Duncombe: - That we must deal upon the Bill.

Mr. Wentworth: - Without the Bill, lest we overthrow all.

Much disputed, whether upon the Amendments, to be sent down by the Lords ; or to dispute now, and prepare Reasons for a Conference ; and not to decide it, but to offer the Reasons in a Second Conference.

Mr. Yelverton: - Not to qualify it, that the Jury should accept, and chuse, the Witnesses : For, if they disallow, bloody Jury ; if allow, then too much Evidence; a Verdict beforehand : For testis approbatus testimonium, must needs sway with the Judge. -

No Alteration of the Clause. All Witnesses to be entertained promiscue. -

To shew our Opinions, in the Conference, that we incline to Alteration for the Four Points; for the Witnesses, not at all.

Sir John Hollice: - That we will not affirmatively say one way, or other; but think of our Proposition, touching the Matter of Witnesses.

Sir Wm. Strowd, Mr. Hyde, Sir Fr. Barrington: - To send to the Lords, and leave it to their Lordships, to do what they please.

Mr. Attorney to do the First Message.

The Sub-committees to meet, and consider of the Message to be sent on Monday.