House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 19 June 1604 (2nd scribe)

Martis, 19 die Junii, 1604

Incumbents.

THE Bill for avoiding unjust Suits against Incumbents of ecclesiastical Livings: - Second Reading, and committed to Mr. D. James, Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir Jo. Heigham, Sir Fr. Eure, Sir Walter Cope, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Sir Edm. Ludlowe, Mr. Bacchus, Sir Jo. Bennett, Mr. Durdent, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Brock, Sir Valentyne Knightley, Mr. Noye, Sir Edw. Hext, Sir Edw. Lewknor, Mr. Tate, Mr. Nath. Bacon, Mr. Pelham, Mr. Edw. Jones : - Friday, Temple.

Calthrop's Jointure.

The Additions in Mr. Calthrop's Bill (coming from the Lords) thrice read, and passed.

E. of Marre's Nat.

The Bill for the Naturalizing of John Earl of Marre, his Wife and Children: - Third Reading, and passed.

Kennedy's Nat.

The Bill for the Naturalizing of Sir John Kennedy, Knight, secondly and thirdly read, and passed.

Eclesiastical Government.

The Bill for the due Execution of ecclesiastical Government, secondly read, and committed to the former Committees for Three Bills, Saturni, 16o Junii. - Delivered to Mr. Pelham.

Browne's Nat.

The Bill for the Naturalizing of Sir Wm. Browne's Children, secondly read, and ordered to be ingrossed.

Treasurers, &c.

The Bill against Treasurers, or Deputy Lieutenants, &c. - Second Reading, and, upon the Question, rejected.

Statutes.

The Committees, for Continuance of Statutes, bring in a new Bill for the Repair of Dover Haven; and the Proviso, in the Act of Continuance, stricken out.

The Bill twice read, and ordered to be ingrossed.

The Proviso, for Transporting of Corn and Grain, offered in the Continuance, much disputed. Sir Geo. . . contra ; Sir Edw. Hext, pro; Mr. Duncombe, contra ; Mr. Nath. Bacon, pro.

Upon the Question for this Proviso, the House divided: Noe, 105. Yea, 159.

Usury.

Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Tho. Ridgeway, Sir Henry Beamount, Sir Wm. Strowd, Committee added in the Bill against Usury.

Subsidy.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - Peter, and John, and James, fell asleep while Christ was at Prayer; and Judas in the mean time betrayed, and did not sleep.

The Papists persuade, that Protestants are their Friends. -

Frederick the II. - They are the best Subjects that fear God more than Man. -

Moved that a selected Number might be chosen, to consult, how to express our Love to King James.

Sir Edw. Hobby: - To express our Love in some Act, some Demonstration, not in our Hearts only. -

Hilarem datorem diligit Deus. -

Gratia est nullo modo, quae non est gratuita omnimodo.- -

Not to confer with the Lords, but amongst ourselves.

No Subsidy, but a Gratuity. - Spanyards, and Ambassadors, to speak well.

Sir Fr. Bacon: - The Kingdom, in the Queen's Time, but Tenant for Term of Life : If for a State for Life, a

Gratuity; then much more for a planted Posterity, a State of Inheritance. -

This Parliament not to End, like a Dutch Feast, in salt Meats; but, like an English Feast, in sweet Feasts. -

A Committee, for this Purpose.

Mr. Martin: - No Gratification till the next Session. -

Mr. Secretary Herbert; - Not in respect of theNecessity of the Time, or of other Conveniency, but merely in respect of our own Good, to shew that we are thankful.

Mr. Hoskins : - That we have no Sheep that yields Two Fleeces in the Year.

Sir Geo. Moore -

Mr. Brock: - That in no Time any Subsidy, but in Times of Wars. King Edw. III. H. V. E. IV. H. VII H. VIII. no Precedent. Religion doth not consist in Subsidies.

Sir Rich. Spencer : - Subsidies in Reversion. - At the Beginning of a Prince's Reign, Subsidies rather remitted, than doubled. - No Immunity, to countervail so great a Charge.

Mr. Nath. Bacon: - A Committee, only to express our Love, in Thankfulness, in Love.

Mr. Hackwell: - The Sickness a great Affliction. -

Addere afflictionem afflicto. -

Never any Subsidy in the Beginning of a Prince's Reign, but in Queen Eliz. Time, and that half forgiven.

Sir Edw. Hext, - for it.

Sir Jo. Heigham: - Four Recusant Papists said amongst themselves, "You see now, what the King's Protestant Subjects will do for him ; they will yield him nothing.

Sir Rob. Wingfield: - Either Matter of Poverty of the Country, or Matter of Precedent. - He will answer all, if a Committee may be. - That at least me may consult; and that, if it be upon Reason, and Ground, and dutifully done, the King will as well take theDenial, as the Granting.

All Speeches in this Matter to cease till To-morrow.