House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 19 February 1610

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 19 February 1610', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629, (London, 1802) pp. 396. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol1/p396 [accessed 19 March 2024]

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Lunae, 19 Februarii, 1609

Prince's Birthday.

THE Prince's Birth-day. - Benedicat et tueatur Deus.

Salters, &c.

L. 1a. - Salters, and Brewers.

Mr. Martin maketh Report of the Committee for Privileges. -

Privilege.

Sir Wm. Bowyer, Subpoena.

8 Februarii, Bedle. - 9 Februarii, Barnsley: - By Process out of the Chancery, - Privilege.

Mr. Bryers complained his fellow Burgess; - incurably sick, - aged.

Mr. Payne, - his Unworthiness: - Sequestred from the House : - Did never seek to be restored: His Contumacy. - To be displaced.

A Motion, that the Lawyers should not plead in either House.

2. Touching rasing of Acts in the House: - Whether this within the Compass of their Authority. - More Authority to be added.

Touching the Clerk's Entries : - They did view this Session, and approve it. -

For the great Bulk of his Labour they had no Time. - For his Recompence, to meet again Tomorrow Morning.

Privilege, for Sir Wm. Bowyer.

A Certificate for Coventrye.

Payne, of Wallingford, to be sent for by -

Q. Whether by Serjeant, or Letter: - Resolved, by Letter.

Rasing of Bills: - No more Rasure in any Bill, in any great Quantity.

For the Clerk's Entries, and his Reward, to meet again Tomorrow Morning, before the sitting of the House.

Pluralities.

L. 1a. B. Against Pluralities: - Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Walter Cope, Sir Fr. Knolles, Sir Timothie Tirhitt, Sir Tho. Smyth, Mr. Yelverton, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Gore, Sir Wm. Cope, Mr. Gawyn, Mr. Wentworth, Mr. Martin, Sir Rob. Knollys, Sir Nath. Bacon, Sir John Scott, Mr. Duncombe, Sir Roger Wilbram, Sir Fr. Bacon, Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir H. Nevill, Sir Wm. Skipwith, all the Doctors, Mr. Rich. Cecyll, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Wm. Burlacy, Sir James Leigh, Sir James Perrott, Sir Tho. Lake, Sir Geo. St. Poll, Mr. Fuller, Sir Rob. Oxenbridge, Mr. Grace. - Wednesday, Temple.

Non-residents.

L. 2a. B. Concerning Nonresidents: - To the same Committee.

Commoners.

L. 2a. B. For Reformation of Disorders and Abuses amongst Commoners, concerning their Commons: - Mr. Alford, Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Staughton, Sir Rob. Oxenbridge, Sir Tho. Beamount, Sir Barnard Whytston, Mr. Askewe, Sir Rich. Lovelace, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Forsett, Sir Wm. Godolphin, Sir Rob. Johnson, Sir Wm. Kingswell, Sir John Mallorie, Sir Geo. Carewe, Mr. Wentworth, Sir H. Goodyeare, Sir Geo. St. Poll. Sir H. Poole, Sir Basil Brook, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Fr. Knollys, Sir James Leigh, Mr. Fr. Moore, Mr. Hoskins, Mr. Yelverton, Mr. Crewe, Sir Fr. Popham, Sir Tho. Challoner, Mr. Jo. Moore, Sir Ja. Harrington, Sir Jo. Hollis, Sir H. Buckenham, Mr. Austen, Sir Henry Savill: - Thursday, Temple Hall.

Supply.

Mr. Speaker remembereth what was done on Saturday. -

Supply. - Retribution. - The Committee for Grievances. - Read. -

19 Day of February, - Scipio Africanus - the Day of the Conquest of Hanniball: -

The Day of the Prince's Birth. -

To give Thanks to God, and enter into the Business with Alacrity.

Mr. Martin : - Both Matter of Contribution, and Retribution, to be first proposed to the House.

Sir Richard Spencer: - Dip his finger in this Sea of Business. -

The Reporters tres: - Tria sunt omnia - The perfectest Number. -

First to know the Lord's Demands : then to Proportion or Retribution, or Demands : - By Committee, and by a selected Number.

Mr. Attorney: - A constant Resolution for a Supply :

Quest. for the Form. -

Motion, to be debated at Committee: - The Supply to be begun. - The Grievances. - No Precedency. - The King the Summoner, the Author, the President; therefore,

he knowing his own Occasions, fit he have Precedency. -

First a Debate at Committee : - To handle both together.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - To avoid the Imputation of gathering Grievances in the House.

Committee for Grievances closed, if it be not proposed in the House. - The other proposed: - not freely, therefore not proportionable.- -

Motion. - That both Points may proceed equally.

Sir Roger Owen: - First, to have particular Demands from the Lords. - Contribution and Retribution. - That Things may go aequis passibus.

Sir Wm. Paddye: - That either the Committee may be enlarged, or restrained, for both. -

That the Lords should propose first their Demands.

Sir Geo. Moore: - The Story of Joaz: - In his former Years, a good King. - A Tax in all Israell: - The House destroyed by wicked Athalia. - All the People, and Princes, all rejoiced; - brought in Money into the King's Chest, until it were full, and more left. -

For a Committee : - Both Retribution and Contribution.

Sir Wm. Cope : - First, to consider of the Necessity of the Subject, and of the Prince. -

Whether to give Supply, or no.

Mr. Brook: - Not only to give Supplies, but to deliver from fretting Charge: - 81,000l. -

To be delivered from the binding Order.- -

To go to the Oracles again.

Sir Fr. Bacon: - No Precedence. - Punctual and effectual. - Precedence of Dignity, and not of Time. -

Two Forms of Writing: Continued Speech, Dialogue.

- The Dialogue better. -

To debate liberally and freely of both, without Restriction, in Committee.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - Either to send to the Lords, or to hear what we should do, from the Privy Council in this House.

Mr. Hyde: - This no Conference, but a Meeting: - No Subsidy meant. -

Subsidies always begin in this House. -

Take away the Thanks from the Subject. - Not quo itur, sed quo eundum est. -

Against Privilege, to entertain Subsidy from the Lords -

A Bargain offered : - If quid pro quo. -

Attainders. - The Lands inseparably annexed to the Crown. - Recusants Lands. - These his own. - Supply further.

Sir Wm. Strowd: - The Grievances first to be considered, and then we know what to offer.

Sir H. Poole: - We are promised great Measure. -

A Message, that we desire the Lords to explain themselves, and let us know some Particularities of their Demands.

Mr. Fuller: - That a Committee, with free Liberty.

Resolved, To discharge the restrictive Order: - Upon Mr. Speaker's Motion : - And that the Committee treat liberally and freely of Contribution, and Retribution.