House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 14 February 1610

Mercurii, 14o Die Februarii, 1609

Gaols.

L. 1a. B. FOR the new Building and Making of common Gaols.

Privilege-Writs for absent and disabled Members.

Sir Geo. Moore maketh Report of the Committee for Privileges. -

Privileges and Liberties must live when we are dead. -

Thirty dead and removed: - Twenty-four dead. -

Lord Walden, Lord Clinton, removed to the Upper House. -

Mr. Bowyer, by Patent, - Oath, - necessary Attendance. - Not to understand our Secrets. -

Mr. Bromley, a Baron of the Exchequer. -

Toby Matthews, by Act of Council banished upon Direction from his Majesty. - Not to return till his Majesty's Pleasure be known. - Opinion of the Committees, that a Warrant from hence. - The Judgment of the House, whether to be removed. -

Sir Geo. Sommers. - Opinion, not to be removed. - Case of Ambassadors: - Disgrace : - Injustice. - If he return, and challenge Privilege, upon Arrest, to be granted ; therefore -

Hassard, - 69. - incurable, - bedrid. - A new Writ.

Sir Geo. Moore: - That Sir Geo. Sommers not to be removed. - No Disgrace, but a Grace, to be a Governor in Virginia, - No Injustice : - But Injustice to the Town, and to this House: Not to chuse. -

Sir Rob. Wrothe's Man (Shelley) to have Privilege. -

Not to spend Time, but to enter into the Business, for which his Majesty hath called; the Country hath sent us. -

A Writ within the Sixteen Days for Baron Bromley - from the Lord Chancellor good Sixteen Days: - Only good for Arrest.

A new Writ for Toby Matthewe.

A new Writ for Hassard.

Sir Geo. Summers like to Sir Ja. Lee in Ireland.

Sir Tho. Holcroft, - for his Remove.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - Answer the Objections. - Disgrace. - Comparison with Ambassadors. - Some Prejudice to the House. - To remove, without Precedent. -

Three Causes of Remove : - 1. Disgrace. 2. Grace. . . Sickness incurable. -

Case of Ambassadors. - Three Differences : - That, foreign; this, home : - No Magistracy; this, Magistracy :

- This, with a Purpose of Continuance; that, not to continue long : - Presumed for his Life. -

A new Precedent: - Done upon Deliberation,

Sir Nath. Bacon : - Not to be removed.

Mr. Fuller : - The End of Parliaments, to have Men present that do represent.

Q. Whether a Warrant for Sir Geo. Sommers: - A new to be elected.

Shelley, Sir Rob. Wroth's Man : - The Serjeant to be sent for the Serjeant, and he, at whose Suit.

Commoners.

L. 1a. B. For Reformation of Abuses and Disorders amongst Commoners, concerning their Commons.

Pluralities.

Sir Edw. Mountague preferreth a Bill against Non-residence, and Pluralities, &c.

Grievance - President of Wales.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - Ends of Parliament Three: -

1. To take good Laws : - To make known publick Grievances : - Aid from the Subjects. -

To consider of old Laws : - Not to make new: - More necessary.

Aid to the King: - The great ones know the Causes. -

To make known the Grievances, fit for us.- -

Every particular Man to think of the Grievance that most concerns his Country.

He maketh an Entrance into the Grievances. -

Against them that make Analizes of Men's Speeches, and transform their Speeches. -

The Grievance : - The Jurisdiction over the Four Counties, by the President of Wales. -

Remembereth what hath passed from his Majesty, and some Particulars of the Grievance.

A Report of the Proceeding with a poor Man in the Country, by the Government of Wales, and of his Course of Appeal here. -

A conclusive Answer upon many Petitions, that he could have no Bail, nor any Hearing in a judicial Course.

- The poor Man suffered to perish, and died of the Infection of the House. -

York and this all one.

Ob. A Derogation to the Prince, being now to be created. -

Thirteen Shires : - Not Five of the Principality, -

Prince as President, no otherwise ; ergo. -

Motion: - This Grievance, amongst other, to be referred to Committee. - The Committee in the Bill the second Session.

Conference desired.

Message from the Lords: - Sir Jo. Crook, Justice Forster, Dr. Jo. Tyndall, and Mr. Grimston : -

More Confidence anima audientis, than in lingua dicentis. -

The Message doth concern partem patriae, and partem patris. -

Their Lordships entering into Consideration, that great, important, and pressing Occas. - and knowing that nothing can proceed, without a mutual Correspondence of both Houses ; they do desire a Conference : - They will propound a Consideration of such Things as may concern the Relief of the Subjects in Cases fit to be relieved, so as there might be a Symmetry. - Fifty of the Lords. - Neither Day, nor Place, spoken on; neither had they Warrant.

Answ. That they will meet.