House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 14 March 1610

Pages 410-411

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Mercurii, 14 Martii, 1619


L. 1. - WARRANTS of Attorney.


L. 1. - Mr. Davison.

Bridgenorth Election.

Sir Geo. Moore reporteth, that the Committees about the Oath of Bridgenorth. - No Lawyers met. - To be debated in the House. -

The Bailiffs have stayed long: - To go home and return again.

Mr. Hoskins: - First to examine it, - the Abuse, - according to Order.

Resolved, to go home, and to return within Eight Days after the Assises.

Mr. Tate: - To examine and punish.

Resolved, To come again upon Notice.

Q. Whether the Bailiffis, upon publick Notice, shall come: - Resolved.


Touching Mr. Berry's Abuse: - The Constable not present: - Testimony for Berry's Behaviour.


L. 2 - Subscription: - Committed to Privy Coancil, King's learned Counsel, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Fuller, Sir Geo. St. Poll, Sir Fr. Hastings, Sir Fr. Barrington, Sir Edw. Hales, the Civilians, Mr. Crewe, Sir Jo. Scott, Sir Fr. Goodwyn, Sir Tho. Edmonds, Sir Tho. Lowe, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Wm. Burlacy, Mr. Duncombe, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Gamal. Capell, Sir Walter Vaughan, Sir Jo. Harrington, Sir James Perrot, Sir Wm. Maynard, Sir Rob. Knollys, Sir Wm. Cope, Sir Rol. Litton, Sir Antho. Rowse, Sir Fr. Hastings, Mr. Rich. Cecyll, Sir Jerome Horsey, Sir Edwyn Sandys, Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Wm. Bulstrod, Mr. Forsett, Sir Fr. Russell, Sir Fr. Popham, Mr. Wentworth, Sir Henry Carye, Sir Henry Nevill - Tuesday, Exchequer Chamber.

Eccle. Juris.

L. 2. - Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction: - The same Committee.

Tenures and Wardships.

Mr. Attorney maketh Report of the Matter of Tenures. - Monday last - Received his Majesty's Answer touching Leave to treat. -

We are not unlike to Joshua and Caleb, that least brought News, flowing with Milk and Honey. -

We have wandered in Deserts : - A refreshing, and the Author of it, the King. -

Honourable, wise, worthy, learned. -

Three Parts: The King's Answer the middest. - As a King's Standard, double Proeme : - * the Lord, - the King. - The King's Words, - the Kings Heart. - The Wisdom of the King begets Admiration. - Love and Affection, the Rewards of Justice and Goodness, expressed in this Speech. -

How hard to carry himself evenly in a River of so swift a Current. -

Happy, that no such Condition to the Words of Princes, as to the Word of God: - Whosoever adds, &c. - Cum aliis praedicavero, ipse reprobus. -

Alexander, - by a Workman : Such the Lot by a rude Artisan. -

When the Message was, much Cheerfulness; but comparing Times, found no great Reason for other Answer. - Scarce Time of Consideration. - He could not muse, nor abide. -

He was able to give Law, and Start, to any Man, and easily overtake them. -

His Resolution to give the House Satisfaction. - Full Leave and Allowance: - You may treat of Tenures. - Applied partly to the Reasons of our own Motions, partly founded upon his Affections. - Our Motions, in Proceedings in Humility, Sincerity, Dutifulness, Caution, Discretion, Judgment. - In praying Leave: - Referred all to him. - Sincerity: Acknowledged planted in the Crown.

- Caution : - That not as a Grievance, but a Fruit of his Favour. - Discretion: - We did not seek it gratis. -

Judgment: - That we joined with the Lords, who were ever willing to join with them. - They revealed not, until they knew his Disposition. -

The Quality of our Proceeding moved the more facile Assent. -

Descended to the Points of Retribution. -

Retributions into Three : -

1. Things standing de jure, yet often heavy, did suck the Blood of the People. - Rigour of penal Laws. - In this I sympathize with, my People: - I wish some constant Course to secure them and their Posterity. - That it may be accomplished in my Time : - That in my Reign -

I am confident in God. - I would be glad to bind the Hands of my Heirs; that though Minds, yet not Means, to grieve the People. -

Agesilaus: - The Safety of Prince is in the Love of his People.

2. Magnificence of a King. - Purveyance : - Though in itself just, and necessary, yet subject to just Complaint ;

- Would willingly part withal.

3. Wards: - The fair Helen, whom we all wooe so earnestly. -

Not blast the Flower of his Prerogative; eclipse the Lustre of his Sceptre ; hurt the Marks of his Sovereignty, the Dignity of his Monarchy. -

No King ever more inclinable. -

The King rising out of his Chair - Though but a Drop, yet the fixing of the whole Heavens. -

The Cause not the Point of Abuse, and not the expressing of an intire Favour in the whole Extinguishment. -

3. Part: - Additition attending upon theKing's Speech. -

Speak with the Spirit of Humility and Duty. -

The King offers this Flowers, yet upon your Offers depends the King's Judgement-

This Flower safe afore : - Now we may proceed gallantly. - As if he had found some Serpent, some Diffidence, by Obtestations, Arguments - Assurance out of Experience.

Sal. - He brought legem et testimonium. - I descant upon his Ground-work. - Record of a good Heart. -

We are unum corpus, unus spiritus. -

Besought us to concur speedily: - Join our Forces in the great Affairs. -

He should despair, if Things carried with former Relaxations. -

Affrighted with Gratitude. -

Multa dies, plura dolor, ultima necessitas. -

Could not satisfy, but exhaust himself. -

Ictus piscator sapit. -

Concur to relieve his Wants: - In that Time wherein he may concur with us. -

- You must Maintain the Monarch with the Monarchy:

- This the last extraordinary Support. -

Expostulate with Curiosity. - Not to search into Secrets: - Providence doth cover, because not to be prevented. - The fatal Ladies in Black Marble: - The Priests of Egypt. -

We, in our private Families, commit some Money before to our Stewards. -

Neither are we to be acquainted with Mysteries that are not to be communicated. -

The King smarting : He would not so importune us. -

Our royal Vessel leaks: It must be stopt. -

It carries spem et rem; sobolem, Caesarem, et fortunam Caesaris.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - That our Understanding declared in Thankfulness to his Majesty. -

Mr. Speaker, with the House, to present Thanks to his Majesty.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - Though we have been deprived of his Majesty's Answer, that we may not lose the joining with the Lords in Thanks.

Mr. Wentworth: - That ,we may acknowlege great Justice in the Court of Wards: - In the Execution of it:

- As great Sjncerity, - great Impartiality;- Not that, but other Causes.

Sir Geo. Moore: - Touching a valuable Consideration. That we should labour to know what is the valuable Consideration. -

Thanks by the Mouth of the Speaker. -

The Motion first from ourselves, therefore to receive the Answer ourselves.

Then to select a Committee to treat.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - No Precedent of Thanks, but by the Speaker : No Precedent of such an Overture before. -

In a Cause so unusual to join with the Lords.

Sir John Hollis.: - Thankfulness from us only : Pertinent to us merely: - If we should join, to give way. -

To send, either by Mr. Speaker, or by some of the Council.

Sir Geo. Carye: If any thing to the King, by the Speaker; if the Lords, by some Messenger.

Sir Henry Mountague : To join the Matter of Execution in the Message of Thanks. - This Ceremony to go to the Matter: - To name a Committee.

Sir Wm. Paddye : The Motion from hence, therefore Thanks from hence. - Committee of the whole House.

Mr. Attorney : Not to seek what Compensation - against the Report. - Upon our Offer, the King's Judgment. -

The Houses to speak,severally.

Mr. Speaker : - To send unto the Lords, that, in your dutiful Purpose, you meant to give Thanks by the Mouth of our Speaker, and thought fit to acquaint their


Mr. Fuller : - To go to the Lords.

Mr. Martin: - To shew our joint Consent, by acquainting the Lords.

Mr. Brook, contra: - A Kind of Dependence.

Mr. Hoskins: - That we have tender Care.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - Not to baulk the Lords, but to send unto them.

Sir Wm. Morrice: - If the Lords say, we shall join hereafter; what to say.

Sir Wm. Skipwith: - Not to forget that of the Execution.

Sir Antho. Cope: - No single Message; but to acknowlege their Furtherance.

Q. Whether to send to the Lords : Resolved.

Q. Whether the Message, That we purpose to give Thanks by our Speaker: - Resolved: According to Sir Edwyn Sandys his Project.

Privy Council, King's Counsel, Sir Edwyn Sandys, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Henry Nevill, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Herbert Crofts, Mr. Wentworth, Sir Fr. Hastings : - To confer with Mr. Speaker, touching the Message, this Afternoon.