House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 13 June 1610

Mercurii, 13o Junii, 1610

Cheyney.

L. 1. B. - CHEYNEY.

Mesengers Allowances.

Messengers Allowances - by Sir H. Poole.

Q. For Sir Rich. Pawlett to pay. - 30s. - To pay according - Messengers. -

Sir Raphe Gray to pay: - Q.

Sir Edm. Ludlowe to pay: - Q.

The Resolution, that all shall pay according as they are adjudged by the Committee.

To charge Sir Raphe Gray, so far as the Messenger travelled.

Those that do not satisfy within Four Days, the Messengers to be sent for the absent.

Attendance of Members.

B. - Better Attendance of the Commons, &c. - To-morrow, Court of Wards.

Supply:

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Speech of the Lord Treasurer, at Meeting on Monday. -

The first Message: - That their Lordships did expound themselves, and gave Satisfaction. Not to give Meeting in Disproportion. -

Two Parts of the Speech: Inducement, Proposition. - Inducement Two Parts: 1. Matter of Decorum. 2. Grave Discharge or Pretermission of Matter, wherein he would not trouble himself. -

1. Was authorized to communicate that which would be acceptable both in Matter and Form. -

Past the Feasts of Joy. - Before us those precious Pledges of Posterity. - The King jealous of the Issue of these Counsels: His Majesty therefore offered a fair Outlet, which his Majesty hoped -

In mobilibus velocitas sequitur proportionem virtutis moventis. - Since the King primum mobile, not doubt but it would carry the rest of the Spheres with Expedition.

2. Discharge. - In the Mind of Man Two Faculties ; Understanding, and Will: - Object - Understanding, verum, falsum; - Will, Good and Evil.

If any Man rest unsatisfied, this not the Day, I not the Man that can imprint it. - I will make myself an Auditor of 100l, and 50. - I will not sweat in that dull Occupation - tedious. - He well * as of Tacitus; rather practise his Precepts, than his Style. -

Time; - speedy : - Severance ; - not intermixt: - Proportion; - answer the Necessity. -

1. Matters past: - Then to consider what was to come. -

Past, Two Branches: Prince's Creation ; Accident of the French King, with the Consequences. - Increase by Interest, since the Parliament. -

Creation performed with Magnificence: - Not fit to begin a Precedent of Frugality. -

Private Men as Marigold, - when such a Star, as assureth the private and the publick Man's Fortune. -

Time hath been, when merely the Word Necessity would have been enough. -

Not economical, but political, and civil; not home, but foreign, Affairs.

Changes of Counsels in foreign Parts shewed themselves since. -

That King truly the Counterpoize of Christendom : Fit, for the Situation, for his Power, his Riches, for his Practice military, for his Wisdom. -

They had built a Heaven for Parricides, and Murderers of Kings : - No where, but in Mahomett, for Assassinates, desperate Votaries. -

Submit his Conscience, and not his State, to the See of Rome.

When he was ready on Horseback for - Army, butchered with a Knife. -

The King sent his Ambassadors. -

Now doubtful: - Now an Infant, under the Regency of the Lady. -

6,000 l. issued for that Service : - Bills of Exchange 30,000l. - Think what Assurance can be founded upon the Amity of France. - An important Change in the Face of Europe. -

Engl. sleep in a Liturgie. - A Parliament called : - The King's Necessity: - The first Day nothing done. - The Term. -

Discourses, square, diameter, oblong; all circular. - Know not the Causes, - I see the Effects. -

Recalling of the Business as it now stands : - Communication of his Majesty's Desires, and the Reasons. -

Impositions. - A Promise, no Imposition till we meet again, -

The King began to think of the Reparation of his Estate, measuring their Affection by his: Both in One Bottom. -

Demand great: - No Precedent. - New Reasons new Precedents. - Made an Anatomy of his Estate, which he was sorry was known.- -

The King from his great Demand would make a great Fall: He would never press, but upon just - and Conditions. -

The King's Desire : - A Suspension of the rest of the Business of the Parliament. - Treaty of Support, - Grievance. -

The very Conclusion : - If it were One in Price, yet back again for the Levy. -

A sour Report, that we have gone too far already. -

In time for the Grievances; - a just, a gracious, and a prudent Answer, -

For the Supply, to go on speedily : - Support, a Word not found. -

For Supply. - What will be the Judgment of the World, if the King shall have no People ? - Can any Man wash his Hands, if Hostility ensue? - Dispute of Treasure, when we should take our Swords. -

To put his Majesty out of Debt. - Some Deposite : Trust it where you will: - Tanquam sacer thesaurus.- -

Howsoever the Demands exorbitant, the Realm of England in a miserable State. -

No good Subject -

He moved you, not for a vain War of Ostentation, but for the Defence of your natural Mother.

The Thrift of this Parliament drawn down the King's Revenue 20,000l. less. -

Deal Boards, Iron unwrought, Tow, Clap-board. -

Raisins : - Not removed, but abated : - Impositions upon Manufactures, taken away : - Exceptions in Bayes and Pewter. -

Bayes a Staple Commodity, - Pewter : - If no Imposition, no Vent. - Levant, and Turkye, rests upon it. -

The King hath given Leave to have the Question disputed in radice.

Mr. Dammett: - If a private Gentleman complain to his Friend ; he is in Debt, must sell his Land; No (saith he) we shall think of some other Course.

Mr. May: - Humour and Frowardness. - Judge corruptly of his Speech. -

The King, if he were clear, and before- hand, would haply give Cause of Complaint of Parsimony (no excellent Virtue in a King) as we now have of Bounty, - For Two Subsidies.

Sir Tho. Beamount, contra. - Fit to be supplied. - Two not sufficient: - Not fit for the Matter, for the Time. - No Session, but an Intermission, an Adjournment.

Sir Tho. Lowe: - Wants. - The King hath told it, the Lords protested it. - Let us endeavour to suppress his Wants: Let us not be mercenary, nor sparing. - Two Subsidies, and Four Fifteens.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - Duty, Loyalty. Liberality to the King; Duty, Conscience, Respect to the People. - For an Adjournment.

Mr. Tey: - For some Law to explain the Prerogative in Warrants from the Green-cloth. - More Time to think what we may have, and what to give.

Sir Wm. Morrice; - Recapitulation of all former Speeches. - Two Subsidies too little : - Three Subsidies.

Sir Jo. Sammes: - An Adjournment.

Sir Edw. Grevill: - The imminent Danger. - Two Subsidies, and Four Fifteens.

Sir Geo. Carewe: - That, for the King's Honour, we might begin with the King first, as former Parliaments.

Sir Wm. Cope: - That London might lend at Five in the Hundred, or freely, until we meet again.

Mr. Recorder: - Quest. whether at this Time. - One Subsidy now, another a Year hence.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - The Question, whether now to give, or when we shall receive Satisfaction.

Sir Geo. Moore: - Conscientia, if not fraenum ante peccatum, it will be flagrum post peccatum. -

That the Grievances may be put into a Readiness. -

To grant a Subsidy, or Two; and stay it, until the Grievances be ready in the King's Hands.

Mr. Hoskins: - If we shall now press One, and not stay a Time for more, little Service to the King.

Mr. Hoskins: - No Question at all; but the King to take Notice of our general Inclination, by some Means.

Sir Rob. Johnson: - To fall into the former Business, and to make an End of it now.

Mr. Martin : - To put off the Business for this Time. - That we shall give more hereafter, than any great Subject dare in Reason demand.

Sir Rob. Maunsell: - The State will not bear it till October.

He is to receive 30,000l. for the Navy, before Michaelmas. -

Polonian War. -

To go forward with our Grievances. - A Suspension of Parliament, - One Subsidy, payable presently.

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer: - Glad Tidings from the King: - Is as studious to hearken, and relieve Griefs, as to move for our Safety, -

Jealousy, - of Dissolution; - of no Meaning for the Tenures ; - of -

His Majesty's Promise of the Parliament at the Time. -

Present and other Grievances now : - The King will give an Answer now. -

Grievances shall go with the Supply, and not with the Support. -

Petition touching the Green-cloth's Warrants: If civilly, without taking upon us Examination, it will receive a good Answer. -

Above all we have, or hope to have, take up above 15,000l. - Sell Land, or perish. -

Though not presently pay it, yet the View of it will feed us, and make us live. - Two Subsidies, and Four Fifteens.

Mr. James of the Isle of Wight: - Forbear to speak of Subsidies, until some Relief in the Impositions.

Rous.

Saturday, - Mr. Rous, - in the Exchequer Chamber.