House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 14 June 1610

Jovis, 14 Junii, 1610

Jennison.

JENNISON:-Saturday.

Thetford.

L. 2. B. - Thetford. - Not opened till the House be fuller.

Bishop's Leases.

Bishops Leases: - Ingrossetur. - Mr. Finch - Report,

- Amendments.

Oath ex officio.

Oath ex officio: - Ingrossetur. - Mr. Fuller, - Amendments.

Walgrave.

L. 1. - Walgrave : - The Knights and Burgesses of Norfolk, Norwich, Suffolk, Essex, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Wm. Strowd, Sir Tho. Lowe, Sir Henry Poole, Sir Fr. Hastings, Sir Fr. Barrington, Sir Fr. Fane, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Tate, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Rich. Weston, Mr. Finch, Sir Nath. Bacon, Mr. Culvert, Sir Barnard Whytston, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Fr. Lee, Sir Fr. Goodwyn: - Saturday, Chequer Chamber.

Dorchester.

L. 3. B. - Dorchester. - passed.

Privilege.

Sir Geo. Moore: - That D. Steward's Man, privileged, was, for begetting a Woman with Child - The Warrant, signed by Justices before the Parliament, executed now,

- Whether Privilege or no.

Committed to the Committee for Privileges : - Tomorrow Morning, at Seven a Clock.

Ditto.

Sir Rich. Hawkins: - His Man beaten : - Taken by my Lord Admiral's Warrant.

Pleydall.

L. 2. - Pleydall: - The King's Counsel learned, Sir H. Poole, Sir Dudley Diggs, Mr. Lieutenant of the Tower, Sir Francis Hastings, Mr. Diggs, Mr. Hyde, Sir Roger Aston, Sir Jo. Hungerford, Sir Tho. Mounson, the Knights and Burgesses of Wiltshyre, Mr. Brook, Sir Edm. Ludlowe, Sir Rob. Phelips, Sir Walter Vaughan, Sir H. Bainton, Sir Jo. Townsend, Mr. May, Mr. Corbett, Mr. Moore, Mr. Noy, Mr. Calvert, Sir Rob. Maunsell, Mr. Edmonds, Sir Edw. Grevill, Sir Roger Dallyson, Sir Jo. Keyes: - Monday, Exchequer Chamber.

Message from the King - Supply, &c.

Mr. Chancellor - A Message from the King, -

His Majesty understanding, that, by reason of some Speech reported in this House from a noble Counsellor, some Jealousies in Two Points, which his Majesty desiring to be cleared ;

1. That the Grievances should not be cleared, and heard:

2. That the House should not carry the Price in the Matter of Support: -

Grievances: - His Majesty understood not the End and Bottom. - That they will be ready within a few Days : - That he will answer all and every of the Grievances, before we depart.

By the View of the Grievances he will frame an Answer of the Price; because he cannot tell how to measure his Occasions, before he know, whether more or less.

His Majesty, not forgetting his Honour, referreth it,

- whether it shall not be fit, first to express our Love in the Supply.

Mr. Wentworth: - No Recess, without a Sweetening reciprocal. -

The King the Physician of the Body Politick. -

To present the Grievances first. -

To lay no Burdens till we take some from them. A little Error in the Lords, and us, to make an Argument out of the King - France's Death.

Sir Wm. Strowd: - To deliver the Grievances. - To give One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens, before Christenmas:

- Then a Price. - A good Answer, and good Dealing, or else no more.

Mr. Fuller; - The Grievances being moved, necessarily to have Relief, and Answer. -

A Bill, that no Imposition should be laid, but by Act of Parliament; and then to present the Grievances. -

To make the King an honourable Portion, and to make it an happy State. -

To demand much, and to give a little, a great Discredit.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - In regard of his Majesty's gracious Message, of our mere Love to him, to pay his Debt of 10 in the hundreth, One Subsidy, Two Fifteens, in November, and meet again at Candlemas.

Mr. Dyett: - Grievances; - by want of Justice, as Purveyance; Colour of Justice, as Impositions; Extremity of Justice, as Prerogative. - Supply and Support together, or nothing.

Sir H. Poole: - A Prince's Word in full Parliament somewhat: - Before the Passage of the Subsidy, Satisfaction be given. - For One - and Two Fifteens,

Sir Wm. Paddy : - One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens.

Sir Dudly Diggs: - By the Death of the King of France, great Cause, all upon our Master's Shoulders. - That first the Grievances, and then haply now relieve.

Mr. Lawrence Hyde: - No right in Subsidies. - Never to grant new, till the old be paid. -

Proviso, in the Bill of Subsidy, for the Execution of Laws against Jesuits and Seminaries, and against the Receivers of Jesuits.

Mr. Crewe; - No Proviso, because the Justice of the Realm requires it. -

Hilari, celeri, plena manu - all Gifts. -

The Matter of Tenures, and the Supply; all pari passu.

- Fifteens go single: - Double rather in Subsidies.

- Not now, but to go on; then -

Mr. Attorney : - Some to give presently, out of Affection ; some not, till some Compensation. -

Merely upon Point of Honour. -

A Pardon to be enlarged; but that taketh from the King, in his Revenue. -

Assurance of Love in all; therefore to make Things appear, as they are. -

One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens, as a Pledge of Love.

Mr. Alford; - Never any more shew of Love to any King. - The like Answer, as from E. IV. That, if the Commons will relieve his Wants, he will live of his own. -

To surcease for Ten Days, till Things be ripened.

Mr. Duncombe: - In respect of the Prince's Creation, so great an Honour to us, One Subsidy, One Fifteen, presently to be levied.

Sir Jo. Savill: - Former' the King of France clip his Sheep once a Year. - Charles the V. " I govern Men, not Sheep." - The King a good King, if we have not marred him. -

We had a Message upon the last Subsidy; so of this,

- To be put in the Preamble.

Mr. Serjeant Dodridge: - The King's gracious Message,

- a present and urgent Necessity ; - ergo - .

Mr. Holt; - A Persuasion that it was ever meant by the King, as this Message imports. -

For the Privileges, in Peace; but in Suspence, the Grievance of the Subject. -

The more it is importuned, the more Cause a while to defer it.

Sir Nath. Bacon: - Not for the King's Honour, to have so little now; because no Report that the King's Wants are not supplied. -

Stay, and a Pause, till the Grievances be proceeded in.

Sir Fr. Bacon : I will not blast the Aflections of this House with elaborate Speech, -

Great Hope in the Heart: Upon that to proceed.

Sir Roger Owen - None of the Gods would take their Names from Fishes, because they go against the Stream. -

All Arguments of Necessity taken away, because but 30 Days. -

Unreasonable Creatures, - Ears above Eyes; reasonable, - Eyes above Ears: - See first, and then hearken.

Not in Judgment, not in Trust. -

Printed : - first he will ease our Grievances, then impose. -

In his last Speech, Grievances before Supply.

When you have many, to ask One; not so profitable for his Majesty. -

Yesterday, and To-day, all One in Divinity. - As good as a Judgment in the Exchequer ; - nunc pro tunc, tunc pro nunc.

Mr. Serjeant Barker: - If any Man would have told us, that -

Petition that no Privy Seals may go down. - One Subsidy presently.

Mr. Carleton: - Caesar I love, Curio I affect, Pompey I would spend my Life for; Republica nihil carius. -

Anatomy of a diseased Estate: - Anatomy of Wants. -

Proceed to perfect our Grievances. - To give presently.

Sir Maurice Berkley: - Rather give in June than in October. -

No Ease in the former Grievances; therefore to stay.

Sir Rob. Cotton : - No Promise of Ease afore. -

5 H. IV. resolved, that first the Impositions, and then Grievances. - The Parliament Roll.

Mr. Yelverton: - No Hurt from the 13th of June until the 30th, we shall return. -

His Majesty shall gain much by deferring.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - Counsel is a sacred Thing. -

The Country had rather pay Ten Subsidies.

Not fit to put it to Question. - If carried, Disreputation, with Three or Four Voices ; if not carried, a worse Sound. - The Question now to be forborn.

Sir Chro. Perkins: - If Three Weeks hence, then Three Weeks more in the Dispatch; therefore presently.

Sir Fr. Goodwyn: - No Delay from us. - The Offer made at Easter. -

New Impositions - Messages stayed us. -

To pass an Order this Day, for a Subsidy, as good, as to pass an Act. -

Particular Price - Levy - Assurance.

Mr. Speaker: -

Q. As many as will proceed to the Question of the main Matter, to say Yea. -

Resolved, Not to proceed.

Mr. Martin: - This is the fairest Day that ever he saw in Parliament. -

Hath given over his Gown.

Message from the King.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - A Message to his Majesty by Mr. Chancellor; and that he will lay all other Business aside, and endeavour, within a short Time, to give his Majesty Satisfaction.

This assented unto, by the Voice of the House.