Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Lunae, 18o Aprilis
Distribution of Collection.
Sir Mawrice Berkeley: - That no Bill so acceptable as this: None so grievous as this to the Subject. That this depriveth the King of the Money, and of much of the Love of the Subjects. That the Case of Currants, in the Exchequer, opened the Flood-gate of these Impositions.
Sir George Moore: - That laid in the Bill, That the former Impositions laid, to be against the Law ; where a Judgment for it directly in the Exchequer, that it stood warranted by Law. - Moveth, that Point may be disputed, before it be committed.
Mr. Fuller: - That he the Cause this Matter was questioned the last Parliament: That this Point argued by the Lawyers the last Parliament. Resolved then, that, by the Law, no Impositions might be laid without Authority of Parliament; and a Bill passed this House to that Purpose.
Sir Herbert Croftes, - for the Bill; for that, Impositions standing, no Man certain of the Property, but only of the Use, of his own Goods. - That strongly maintained, and this Point cleared, upon Argument, the last Parliament. - Is against the Debate of it here. Moveth, it may be committed ; and the Committees may consider of all such Things in the Bill as may give any Touch to his Majesty's Honour, &c.
Mr. Brooke moveth a Commitment. - Not to argue; but that all the Lawyers may look up their Notes, and attend the great Committee; and after, a Petition, or Remonstrance, may go from this House to his Majesty, to further the Passage of the Bill. - Hope of that (it standing not warranted the King's by Law) sithence his Majesty, by his Bills of Grace, offereth us that which is his own. - Moveth, this House may take, at the least, a continual Claim ; lest, these Things standing, daring the King's Life, without Claim, our Entry after be taken away. -
Sir Roger Owen: - Not to have this argued again in the House. - That the King of England hath as much Power as any other King of the World; but that the King (as appeareth by many Acts of Parliament then seen, though the Judges never saw them, and by divers others he hath seen sithence) - clear, the King cannot do it. - Moveth a Commitment; and that, at the Committee, the Lawyers, &c. may argue, &c.
Mr. Middleton: - Strange, that the King requiring Supply, we should take from him. - That the Danger, lest the Impositions now covering the Sea, should break over, and overflow the Land. - That, if it be considered what the Merchant hath paid for Impositions, if the King have received it, he should not need to require Supply now..
Sir Dudley Digges: - That the Fall of a Merchant, a Feather pulled away from the Commonwealth. - That the Judgment in the Exchequer erroneous. - No Reason of Imposition upon Goods upon the Sea, more than upon the Land. - That if Imposition had been required by Parliament upon divers unnecessary Things, he should have furthered it. - Moveth a Commitment. - No general Argument, but a Collection of all the Sum of the Arguments; whereby the great Lords, and his Majesty, may see the Precedents and Grounds whereupon the Resolution of the last Parliament grounded. - Hopeth, the King and Lords will be satisfied.- -
Mr. Hackwill: - Wisheth, his Tongue might cleave to the Roof of his Mouth if not speak to this Bill; it is of that Importance. - That he pitied them that last Parliament began the Question. - Confident upon the Arguments, and Judgment in the Exchequer. - That, after he had heard the Matter argued, and seen the Precedents, he converted ; so now remaineth; and will do his best to convert his Brethren. -
That 472, or thereabouts, of the House; of these above 300 new, not of the last Parliament; whereof divers young. - Desireth now, they may understand the true State of their Right, to leave it for hereafter to Posterity.
Sir H. Mountague: - For the Matter, his Zeal with the forwardest. - Speaketh against it, for want of sufficient Declaration, or Provision, to reform it. - If that which Mr. Middleton hath spoken of, may be proved, fit to be embraced.
Sabbath; Non-residence, &c.
Mr. Davys: - He a Welsheman. - Ancient.-Brittons, of Brutus. He Three Sons. Of his third Son, Camber, cometh Cambria, Wales. This only not conquered by the Romans, Danes, Normans. Not incorporated to England till 27 H. VIII. then Knights and Burgesses for the Parliament, and to be ruled by the Laws of England. 34 H. VIII. they had Knights and Burgesses here. Then they sought Government by the Laws of England, before Government by a Justice: By that, Sheriffs, Justices of Peace, Assises, &c. -
Mr. Jones: - That the Danger not so much to be feared, as by Mr. Davys. That he moved the Repeat of that Branch. That, being questioned last Parliament, one moved (without the King's Privy) quid vultis mihi dare? So left by them. -
By the Statute of 34 H. VIII. a Power given only to alter the Form, not the Substance, of the Laws. - That it reacheth not to other than H. VIII. - The King then specially described. - Laws for the Good of that Country. - Special Provision, those Laws should not extend to Lands, Tenements, &c.
Committed to all the Welshemen of the House, and all the Knights and Burgesses for Wales, and of the Four Shires of Gloucester, Worcester, Hereford, Monmouth, and Salop, and Bristow, and Chester, the King's learned Counsel, all the Lawyers of the House, Sir Edwyn Sands, Sir Herbert Croftes, Sir Roger Owen, Mr. Connock, Sir Henry Wallopp, Sir Ro. Sydney, Sir Mawryce Berkeley, Sir James Scydamore, Mr. James, Sir Dudley Digges, Sir Chr. Hatton, Sir Wm. Croftes, Sir Wm. Brereton, Sir Francis Popham, Sir Olyver Cromwell, Sir Edw. Hobby, Sir Edw. Mountague: - Friday after Easter Week, in the Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber.