House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 17 May 1614

Pages 487-488

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Martis, 17o Maii


..... Discharged, paying his Fees.

Weares, &c.

L. 1. An Act for pulling down, and against, the Erection of, Weares, &c.


L. 1. An Act for Reformation of Taylors.

Yew's Estate.

L. 2. An Act for the Enabling of Jo. Yew, Clothier; to make Sale of certain Lands, for Payment of his Debts: - Committed to Mr. Fuller, Mr. Mallett, Mr. Browne, the Knights and Burgesses of Wiltshyre: - This Afternoon, in the Court of Requests.


Ordered, That the Committees for Statutes, &c. shall consider of some fit Provision for Assise by Bakers, and for Measures.

Pelham's Estate.

L. 2. An Act for the better Enabling Herbert Pelham, Esquire, to make Sale of certain Lands, for Payment, of his Debts.

Sir H. Poole: - That this crosseth the Course of the Common Laws; preventing the Course which is settled in Consideration of Marriage, or other valuable Considerations. This the only Provision now, which Men make when they give great Portions with their Daughters. That therefore no Reason to consent to this Bill. Moveth therefore, if it shall be committed, that there may be a Care that the Children sustain no Prejudice; and that some may be there heard for them.

Sir H. Cary: - That Mr. Pelham doth not this to prejudice his Heir; for the Heir doth follow it.

Mr. Fuller - against Sir H. Poole's, Motion. -

Committed to Sir H. Cary, Mr. Fuller, Sir H. Poole, the Knights and Burgesses for Sussex, Mr. Alford, Sir Ro. Rich, Mr. Browne, Mr. Hackwill, Mr. Amnerst, Mr. Bing, Sir Wm. Browne, Mr. Backhowse: - In the Court of Wards, To-morrow in the Afternoon.

A Paper found.

Mr. Attorney: - That a Paper found upon the Duchy Stairs.

County Records.

Mr. Digges offereth a Bill, to have a local Place in every County, for Preservation of the Records of the Peace.


Mr. Davys moveth; the Bill for Wales may be on Thursday next. One of the Clock, in the Court of Wards.


The Bill for Highways, and Bridges, to be on Friday next in the Afternoon, in the Court of Requests. - All the Knights and Burgesses of the House. -


Mr. Brooke moveth, an Addition to the Committee for Apparel. - This Afternoon, in the Court of Wards :- - Sir Tho. Wentworth, Sir Tho. Chicheley, &c.

Vere's Nat.

L. 2. An Act for the Naturalizing of Eliz. Vere and Mary Vere, Daughters of Sir Horace Vere, Knight. -

Mr. Mallett : - To add to this Bill, that all such other Children as they shall have during this his Employment, may be also naturalized. That that is already warranted for Law, by the Statute of 25 Ed; III -

Committed to Sir Ro. Yaxley, Sir W. Heale, Sir Ed. Hobby, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Ro. Maunsell, Sir Oliver Cromwell, Mr. Mallett, Sir Jo. Ratcliffe, Sir Ro. Brett, Sir Jo. Sammes, Sir Ro. Moore, Sir Ro. Phillippes, Mr. Brooke, Mr. Cecyll, Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir Edw. Gyles, Sir Ro. Sidney, Mr. John Drake, Sir Ro. Rich, Sir Nich. Smyth, my Lord Clifford: - Wednesday next, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Hele's Estate.

L. 2. An Act to enable Sir W. Hele Knight, or any of the Sons of Sir John [a] Hele Knight, deceased, Father to the said Sir Warwick Heale, being in Possession, to make Leases of any of the Lands whereof the said Sir John Hele died seized, for Three Lives. -

Mr. Glanvyle - for the committing of the Bill. So Sir Edw. Gyles. So Sir Wm. Strowd, and Sir Francis Popham. -

Committed to all the Knights and Burgesses of Devon and Cornewall, Mr. Tho. Warre, Sir Nich. Smyth: - Friday next, in the Temple Hall.

Virginia Company. Lords may be present.

Ordered, My Lord of Southampton, my Lord Sheffield, &c. shall come in, to hear the Treaty of the Virginia Business; and that the Lords shall, for a Time, sit bare, and shall shortly after, at Mr. Speaker's Discretion, be spoken to.

Ordered, upon the Question, That no Member of the House shall stand in the Entry, upon Penalty of 12 d. to the Serjeant

Ordered, There shall be great Silence at the Lords being here.

Mr. Martyn, of Counsel with the Company, cometh in before the Lords. The Bar, first down, taken up, at the Lords coming in. The Lords stood bare, till after Mr. Martyn had begun. Then Mr. Speaker spake to him, to stay; and then, in the Name of the House, spake to them, signifying to them the Pleasure of the House, that they should sit down, and be covered.

- Queen Eliz. of ever-growing Memory, compared by the King to Augustus. That she Lady of the Seas, whole Fleets stooping - the red Cross in One of her Ships. The Discovery, by her Subjects, of all the Seas about the World. -

Amadis, - and after, Whyte, employed by Sir W. Raleighe, in those Discoveries. - He termed a Subject of

Envy, in his Greatness ; now a Mirror of the Vanity of all earthly Things. -

This Plantation began 1606. - Religions - Captain Newport, Sir Tho. Gates. - Virginia, a Bridle for the Neopolitane Courser, if our Youth of England able to sit him ; for which they will give them golden Spurs. - L. d' la Warre. -

That now a settled Plantation : - All Things necessary for Food. -

That this Conquest just. - The Spanyards Course in the Indyes. - Don John D' aquyla in Ireland. - Our Usage of the Indyes merciful and respective. - That this Country never yet felt the Yoke of the Plow. -

1. Objection, that, if this undertaken by this House, and King, this might prove to a War.

Ans. That this no just Cause of Offence. The Name given by the Queen. The Spanyards defend the West Indyes; the Por the East; the French the River of.... the Hollander their Forts in the Moluccos. -

That the Spanyard, by our Forces, drawn to that Extremity, that they would -

That this City hath not Three Armourers. -

This Time of Relief for the King -

That they require, is but a few honest Labourers, burthened with Children. - Moveth, a Committee may consider of the Means for this, for Seven Years; at which some of their Company may be present -

Columbus his Offer to H. VII. neglected, because no present Profit. -

That this Country giveth Hope of all those Commodities, which a southern Country can promise.

Sir Roger Owen . - That the Treasurer of Virginia, and those that be of that Company, shall withdraw themselves, till the Matter be debated.

Mr. Brooke, contra: For, if a Bill here that concerneth Yorke, he not to be withdrawn ; for that it concerneth the Commonwealth.

Exception to Words spoken.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - That the Speech of Mr. Martyn the most unfitting that ever was spoken in this House.

Sir Edw. Hobby thinketh it fit, he should be called to the Bar, for his Speech, wherein he hath taxed the last Parliament: - Hath run over all the Particulars of this Parliament.

Mr. Henden, accordant.

Sir Jerome Horsey: - That, if any Member of this House had spoken as much as Mr. Martyn, would have been called to the Bar.

Mr. Duncombe: - That his Speech as a School-master, to teach his Scholars.- - Moveth, whensoever after any Counsel at Bar -

Sir Ro. Phillippes agreeth, Mr. Martyn hath committed a very great and intolerable Fault; but to be considered, with what Affection he spake it.

2. To clear the Lords, that they had no Hand in this.

3. That those of the Company of Virginia may stay at the Treaty.

Sir Ed. Hobby: - That the Treaty of the King's Relief may precede that of Virginia.

Sir Geor. Moore - That an extraordinary Favour, to admit Counsel here, upon a Petition. That the Speech strange. - Could not have expected it from any, much less from one of his Experience here, and Judgment elsewhere. - Remembereth his former Service in this House. Moveth, not to take Advantage of this Error, but to remember his former good Service. Not to have any Committee to collect the Particulars of his Speech; which fitter to be buried. - It was not so -

Sir Wm. Maynard: - Hath heard sithence he came into the House, that Mr. Martyn told some, that he was resolved to pay us. - That there is no Cause to respect him for his former Service, more than we did Mr. Chancellor. That, if another had offended, and he here a Judge, no Man would have been more earnest against him, than he.

Sir Edw. Gyles confesseth it a great Offence.

Mr. Hoskyns: - That speaketh with as much Perplexity, as if he himself arraigned there. - Peccatum punished cum peccato.

Sir Wm. Strowde: - That, the last Parliament, as good a Moderator as any.

Sir H. Croftes: - That this Day fatal to him. - Wondereth he could so overshoot himself. - Sir Wm. Maynards Speech, and Mr. Hoskyns, for the Cause of his not being of the House. - Against Sir Jerome Horsey his Motion to call him to the Bar. - To have that done Tomorrow.

Mr. Connocke confesseth his Error; but desireth the Extremity of Punishment may not be pressed, by the Example of Mr. Chancellor and Sir Ro. Killigrewe's Punishment. - Agreeth with Sir H. Croftes Motion.

Sir Ro. Hitcham: - That Mr. Martyn told him, he was in that Perplexity, as never was before sithence he was born. That he was never fearful to speak, yet now benumbed with Fear. - Moveth, he may not now come on his Knees to the Bar.

Mr. Ashley: - That his Heart sound and intire, his Love of the State great. - An Amercement to be offered by pares. - Moveth, he acknowledge his Error at the Bar.

Sir Cary Reynolds: - Respects not his Service in the last Parliament. The more his Knowlege and Experience, the more his Error worthy of Punishment.

Mr. Davys - against his calling to the Bar upon his Knees.

Sir H. May: - That Tacitus layeth a Mark upon the Givers of an hard Censure.

Sir Tho. Hobby: - That never any Man called to the Bar, as a Delinquent, but must kneel. - Moveth only, no Precedent of Mercy now may go against the Precedents of the House.

Mr. Jones: - That Sir Roger Owen, brought in as a Delinquent, being Sheriff of Shropshyre, was suffered, at the Bar, to acknowlege his Offence, without kneeling.

Sir Roger Owen affirmeth it; and thinketh, when he was upon the Parliament -

Sir Walter Chute -

Sir Edw. Sands: - That in all his Speech he used not so many Words

1. That he was out of his Element. 2ly, That came with the Lords.

Mr. Towse: - To hear him first.

Sir W. Walter: - Non est nocens, qui non est sponte nocens. - Mordecai rewarded for -

Ordered, He shall come to the Bar To-morrow, standing.

Mr. Speaker to charge him: He to make his Submission.