House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 10 March 1621

Pages 548-549

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Sabbati, 10 Martii


THE Drawing a Bill for Elections, &c. - Mr. Hackwyll, Mr. Glanvile, Mr. Recorder, Sir Geor. Moore, Sir Jo. Davies, Sir James Perrott, Mr. Brooke, Sir Francis Barrington, Mr. Chancellor of Duchy, Mr. Noye, Sir Ed. Mountague, Sir Wm. Herbert, Sir Jo. Walter, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Crew, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Mallett, Mr. Carvyll, Mr. Shervile, Mr. Digges: - To bring in this Bill by this Day sevennight. - To meet in Lincolne's Hall, Monday next, after the Rising of the Court. The Lawyers of Lincolnes Inn first to agree of a Meeting, and to prepare the Bill, then to acquaint the House with it; and to have a Time appointed, for the Meeting of the general Committee.

Heale's Bill.

Mr. Glanvyle reporteth Sir W. Heale's Bill with Amendments.

Mr. Mallett: - That this Power to Sir W. Heale, a Matter of 10,000 l. - Doubteth, whether Sir Francis Heale his Consent be to the Bill, or not. Moveth, it may stay, till his Assent certified.

Sir Edw. Gyles; - Knoweth Sir Francis Heale did, last Meeting in Parliament, and at divers other Times, consented. -

Thanks to Lords.

Sir Edw. Coke hath Power to give the Lords Thanks for their good Correspondency with this House. -

Hele's Bill.

Mr. Hele affirmeth his Brother's Consent.

Sir Edw. Coke: - The general Assurance of the Realm is, the Father Tenant for Life, Remainder to his first Son, &c. - Will never consent to bind any Infant.

Sir W. Earle; - That it concerneth an Infant of 12 Years old. - To recommit it.

Sir H. Poole: - Against all Bills of this Nature, where the Inheritance taken away from an Infant, upon the Conveyance made by his Ancestor; but here being but to make Leases, as Tenant in Tail, thinketh it reasonable.

Mr. Wentworth: - That this Bill giveth more Power for making Leases, than Tenant in Tail hath.

Upon the Question, this Bill re-committed : And Sir W. Earle, and Mr. Wentworth, Sir Rich. Bulwer, Sir Edw. Coke, Mr. Christofer Earle, Mr. Chancellor of the Duchy, added. - Thursday next, in the Exchequer Court.

Hall and Fuller's Case.

Sir John Jephson moveth for a Day, for Counsel between Sir Jo. Hall, and Mr. Fuller : - To assign him One of the Three, whose Names he hath; and a Page, that made an Affidavit, to be present.

Mr. Dr. Gooch : - To have it heard here.

Mr. Finch, accordant. - To hear it, but as it concerneth the Publick, and not as a private Cause.

Sir Geor. Moore, accordant; because cometh in by Report from the Committee for Courts of Justice.

Upon Question, Resolved, Counsel shall be heard in this Cause, upon Tuesday next.

Mr. Mason, of Lincolne's Inn, Mr. George Moore, of Lincolne's Inn, and Mr. Ro. Roe, of the Inner Temple, assigned him of Counsel; and a Page, making an Affidavit, to be here.


L. 2a. - Cards. -

Mr. Griffyth : - That the Weighing of these Cards may prove dangerous to make an Office.

Mr. Whytson: - That the Dutch bring in dry Fats of old Wire; much Prejudice to the Poor, and to the Clothiers. -

Committed to Mr. Whitson, Sir H. Poole, Knights and Burgesses of Clothing Towns, Mr. Morgan, Knights and Burgesses - London, Sir Edw. Mountague, Mr. Glanvyle, Sir Francis Popham, Mr. Serjeant Davys, Mr. Griffyn, Mr. Hopton, Sir H. Compton, Sir Ro. Askew, Sir Jerome Horsey, Sir Wm. Strowde, Mr. Hackwyll: - Friday next, Exchequer Court.


L. 2a. - Fines. -

Sir Edw. Sands: - That a Bill is not to be put to Question of ingrossing, as long as any calleth to have it committed.

Sir Edw. Mountague, contra : - And to make this Bill a Probationer.

Mr. Guy: - To have those added, which are false Bailers.

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, - against the Penalty of Felony. -

Committed to Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Chancellor of the Duchy, Sir Jo. Walter, Mr. Gifford, Sir Peter Fretchwell, Sir Jo. Howard, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Writtington, Mr. Crew, Sir Edw. Sands, Sir Rich. Newport, Sir H. Poole, Sir Geor. Horsey, Sir Geor. Dalston, Mr. Cooke, Sir Jo. Davys, Sir Wm. Brereton, Mr. Brooke, Sir Tho. Trevor: - Wednesday next. Exchequer Court.


The Committee for Women, the same Day, and Place.

Constables of Yorkeshyre.

Sir A. Ingram : - That the High Constables of Yorkeshyre, sent for, are come. - Moveth, the House will give some Order in it.

To be heard upon Tuesday next.

Committee of Privileges.

Ordered, The Committee for Privileges shall attend that Business, upon Tuesdays and Thursdays.


The Committee for Recusants, - upon Monday next. Exchequer Chamber.


L. 2a. - Swearing. -

Mr. Crew : - To have a less Sum, and made certain.

Mr. Towerson: - To have Whipping set down for some, that are poor, and yet care not for the Stocks.

Mr. Denny : - To define what an Oath is, that shall be punished by this Act, for not to have a passionate Word to be counted an Oath.

Mr. Glanvyle : - The fittest Time to speak to a Bill, before the Committing , for none knoweth, who shall be a Committee, or who can be present. - To have a Time limited within which to be questioned.

Sir Geor. Moore : - The Offence great, yet no Provision against it. - A certain Penalty, not arbitrary. - Fit to have a Law against it.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - An Hour spent here, better than Ten at a Committee. - That a Law hath passed this House, wherein Distinction of Degrees for the Penalty.

Sir Edw. Sands : - That more Swearing in England, than in all Christendom. - Not to sit here, to reform Grievances of the Commonwealth, and leave those, which concern God. - Swearing of Children great: No Money to be had from them ; nor Stocks. - Every Master, and Father, to take care of it. - That the Example of the great ones hath occasioned this great Abuse. That the Penalty of 10s. not so fit: Too little for some, too great for others.

Committed to Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Edw. Sands, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Sir Francis Barrington, Sir Baptist Hickes, Sir Wm. Strowde, Mr. Denny, Sir George Moore, Sir Jerome Horsey, Mr. Hungerford, Mr. Crew, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Wm. Fleetewood, Sir Tho. Barrington: - And all that will come, to have Voices: - Thursday next, in the Star Chamber.


L. 2a. - Kendall. - Committed to the Knights for Westmorland, Burgesses - Cumberland, all the Prince his Counsel of this House, Mr. Chancellor of the Duchy, Mr. Hutton, Sir H. Fane, Sir Talbott Bowes, Sir Tho. Riddall, all the King's Counsel of the House, Sir Edw. Sands, Sir Rich. Gravenor, Sir Henry Slingsby, Sir Tho. Fairfax, Lord Clifford, Sir H. Anderson, Sir Tho. Wentworth, Sir A. Ingram, Mr. Downes : - Wednesday next, Court of Wards.


L. 2a. - Westmorland. - Mr. Solicitor: That this Bill of a very great Extent, and Danger; and may be prejudicial to the King. That it giveth Power to Tenant for Life to compound. -

Upon a double Question, of committing and ingrossing, rejected.

Welsh Butter.

L. 2a. Welsh Butter. -

Mr. Jordan: - That this a dangerous Bill for their Country.

Mr. Whitson, - against the Bill, and for the Patent - To have it restrained at least to Merchants.

Sir Wm. Strowde: - That those Merchants, that have dealt for it, may have no Power to transport.

Mr. Berkeley, and Sir J. Perrott:- - That the Patent may be brought in. - And Resolved, To be brought on Monday. -

Committed to all the Knights and Burgesses of Wales, Devonshire, and Cornewayle, and Monmouthshyre, and Dorsettshyre, Somersettshyre, and of all the Marches of Wales: - Thursday next, in the Duchy Chamber,

French Company's Patent.

The Patent to the French Company, to be brought in to the Committee for Grievances, to be considered of upon Friday next.

Report to be made, &c.

Master of the Wards to make his Report upon Monday; and then further Direction to be given by the House, for the Matter of Money, against Tuesday.


Sir Edw. Coke: - That he told the Lords, his Message of Two Parts: 1. Thanks for their affectionate and patient Hearing of us ; and for their Procuring the Papers, which had given us much Light; and for their great Correspondence with this House. - Desired; sithence divers Things discovered, sithence the last Conference, there might be a Re-conference.

Agreed; and that they would be ready against Two of the Clock this Afternoon.

Mr. Cooke: - Great Care to be taken for preparing. - That a concluding and applying Part necessary now. - Nominateth, for this, Sir Edw. Coke.

Sir Edw. Coke excuseth himself, as not fit for him.

The Conference to hold this Afternoon. - Resolved.

Delivering a Message.

Memorandum: After Debate about it, Resolved, Mr. Attorney should come up to the Table; and Mr. Speaker, and the whole House, to be bare, whilst the Message was delivering.

Message from the King - Subsidy, &c.

A Message from the King, by Mr. Attorney: - Doubtful, the Conference this Afternoon may hinder the Bill of Subsidy ; therefore, to have it deferred till Monday, except both may be this Afternoon; and that his Majesty stayeth the Answer of the House.


Answer: They will attend both; and hope, they may dispatch both; and will sit till Ten of the Clock at Night, but they will dispatch both.


Mr. Recorder - the Heads: 1. The Referrees; Lord Chancellor, Lord Treasurer, and Sir H. Yelverton; Two References to them, and twice certified. - To begin with the Patent of 9 Jac. - Not to leave out the Countess of Bedford.

2ly, The Shares: Sir Edw. Villyers, 500l. per Annum; Mr. Christopher Villyers, 800l. -

The Proclamations to be touched : So the Commissions. - No Quorum in this Commission. - Termed, the Commission Court. -

The Warrant dormant to be read unto them. -

Seizures of Goods, and many Grievances thereupon, as forfeited by a Proclamation. -

That Eleven several Trades bound from Use of their Trades. - Breaking open Houses; taking away Goods. -

For the Imprisonment, to open it fully. - Refusal of Bail. - Sophistication and Falsification of the Stuff. -

That both the Commissions directed to any Two; yet Sir A. Apesley and Sir Francis Michell solely have committed; yea, that Fowles himself hath committed some, for Six Days. -

That some restrained, not to work at all; some, but to particular Persons.

A Letter of Sir G. Monperson, that Mr. Villyers, and Sir Edw. Villyers, Sharers.

The Melting the Coin of the Kingdom. -

The Quality of the Parties imprisoned : Tradesmen:

- Kept there Five Weeks. -

The Threats : - An heavier Hand : - Rot in Prison.

Lord Pawlett: - That Mr. Twitty told him this Morning, that, if a pretty Wench, and she would not consent to him, he would threaten her to carry her to the Justices, and commit her.

Mr. Towerson: - That the Hindrance of Importation a great Hindrance to the Vent of Cloth.

Sir H. Fane: - To hear what Mr. Crew will say.

Sir T. Bowes: - To have some joined, as Assistants to Mr. Recorder.