Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Veneris, 7 Decembris
Message not to proceed against Goldsmyth.
Mr. Secretary: - That he is commanded by his Majesty to declare to the House, that his Pleasure is, that there shall be no further Proceedings in the Business against Goldsmyth, for any particular Case; but, if have offered Wrong to the House, for that leaveth him to the House.
Copies of Petitions, &c.
Mr. Noye: - Wisheth, this Motion had been made sooner (doubteth, many already given out) because War the Subject of the Petition, and may prejudice our Subjects Goods and Persons, in Spayne. - To restrain it for hereafter.
Privilege - King's Letter.
Mr. Secretary and Mr. Speaker pressing to know the Resolution of the House, concerning that moved by Mr. Speaker, many of the House desired, in private Speech, Time of Deliberation; and the general called to Mr. Noye for a Report.
Mr. Noye: - 1. That generally thought, fit to give an Answer to the King's Letter, for avoiding Suspicion of Sullenness and Contempt: This warranted by many former successive Precedents. 2ly, Some, not an Excuse, but a Justification; else a Fault acknowleged. - To excuse is to accuse. - Others, a Narration only ; leaving it to his Majesty's Judgment, whether a Justification, or Excuse : Others, not to alter or retract the former Declaration. 3ly, Propounded, to have his Majesty know, who had informed him : - Others, that this too near an Inquisition, and pressing upon his Majesty: Others, to desire the King hereafter to be informed by no particular Man, but the House. - Relateth the Proceedings of the Sub-committee; which made also a Sub-sub-committee, to draw the Writing: Who drew it, and agreed upon it amongst themselves; presented it to the Sub-committee; and from them to a Committee of the whole House; where read by Parts, and resolved to be now presented by the House to be confirmed, or altered, here, as this House shall think fit. - Questioned, and doubtful, whether best to annexed the old to this new Declaration ; because the King, by his Letter, had refused to hear that, and so might refuse, by the Annexing of the old, to see or hear the new. - Desireth their Pardon, for any Misreporting, because they would not give him Leave not to do amiss.
Declaration to the King.
Declaration to the King.
Sir Ch. Caesar, and Sir Ew. Thelluall bring, from the Lords, a Bill for making the River of Thames navigable from Bercott to Oxford. - Not doubting, but this House will give it a favourable Acceptation, in respect it concerneth the University of Oxford -
Declaration to the King.
Mr. Hackwill agreeth, not to annex the old Petition to this new; but to send it by the same Messengers : And that, when his Majesty hath read the new, the Messengers may move him to vouchsafe to read the old.
Sir Tho. Wentworth: - To be humble Suitors to his Majesty, to read our old Declaration; and in this to desire him to do it; for which Purpose, we now send it by the same Messengers. - Not to have it annexed, but to send it single by the same Messengers.
Mr. Crew: - The Petition, now resolved upon, to prepare the King to cast his Eye upon the old Declaration. - The Woman of Tekoa. - Not to annex it; but to be sent by him, that carrieth the Annexation.
Sir Sam. Sands: - That, after his Majesty hath read our now Petition, the Messengers may let his Majesty know, they have our old Declaration, if it shall please his Majesty to require the Sight of it.
Sir Geor. Moore: - That, in the Maintenance of our old Declaration, we contest not with the King, but with the Report, which we conceive to be a Misreport. - Carried by the Messengers, not annexed: - And the Messengers to desire his Majesty to read it, when our now Petition read.
Mr. Secretary, contra. - If had 1,000 Voices, should have none ; because will hinder the End of a Session, and Passing of Bills; a Thing desired by ourselves. - Doubteth, this will be construed but a Diversion. -
Sir Ro. Phillippes: - Loth to carry down News, that we have lost our Privileges. - Not now to meddle with any Bills, till Answer. Bills but an Accident of well-being; our Privilege of the Essence of Being. - Thinketh this best for his Majesty's Service.
Sir Geor. Moore: - Sapiens incipit a fine. - Doubteth, Mr. Speaker's going will not give Satisfaction to the King, and will hinder the Business of the Commonwealth. - That this may be great Loss of Time. That no Speaker ever went so far as Newmarkett.
Sir Sam. Sands: - Not to contrary ourselves, by saying, in our Petition, "we cannot proceed"; and yet proceed. Sir Edw. Coke: - That we cannot, by the Frame of our Petition, proceed with Bills, &c. till this Cloud removed. Serjeant Ashley, accordant.
Mr. Noy : - If Mr. Speaker go, we must adjourn the Court; and that must be for a Day certain : - May not be by Adjournment here, for any long Time: - If should, and Mr. Speaker hindered to come, may endanger a Discontinuance of the Parliament.
Sir Edw. Seymor, - for Mr. Speaker's going; that it may appear to his Majesty, how far we are stricken with it. Mr. Amnerst, - against Mr. Speaker his going. Mr. Pymme observeth the Danger of Discontinuing of the Parliament. - Know not, when the King will give Mr. Speaker Audience. - Not to send Mr. Speaker.
Sir W. Withrington : - That it was ordered, that all Proceedings should cease, till an Answer from his Majesty. - If the Clerk have not entered it, to have it now ordered. Mr. Weston, - against Mr. Speaker's going. - That we may go on with Parliament Business.
Sir Wm. Strowde, - against Mr. Speaker's going; and against doing any thing here, till Answer. - Never Speaker went, till known, by some, when the King would give him Audience. Upon the Restraint of Impositions, the House forbare to proceed : yet the King writing, and enlarging us, we proceeded. - Cannot do so now, if Mr. Speaker should be absent.
Sir Francis Goodwyn: - To have the Question first, whether any Cessation: For, if resolved, a Proceeding in Business,'a Consequence, Mr. Speaker cannot go, - Mr. Speaker not to go; and Business to stay, till his Majesty's Answer known.
The former Messengers to carry this Petition: And the former Declaration to be sent by the same Messengers, and to be presented to his Majesty ; with an humble Request, his Majesty will be contented to hear it; But this not to be annexed.