Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Sabbati, 27 die Julii; 1° Gulielmi et Mariæ.
Orphans of London.
A PETITION of the Royal African Company of England, on Behalf of themselves, and other Companies of trading Merchants in London, was read; setting forth, That the Petitioners are informed a Bill is intended to pass this House, for enabling the said City to satisfy the Orphans Debts, wherein there are certain Clauses relating to the Office of Out Roper and of Tronage, or weighing at the King's Beam; which, in their Latitude, may extend to impose new Rates and Duties upon the Petitioners Goods, and be also a great Impediment to them in their publick Sales: And praying, that a Proviso may be added, for the exempting the Petitioners, and their Sales and Goods, out of the said Act: And that if it be opposed on the Behalf, of the City, that the Petitioners may be heard by their Counsel thereto.
Prohibiting Trade with France.
Sir Robert Clayton reports from the Committee, to whom the Bill for preventing the Importation of French Goods, was re-committed, That the Committee had agreed upon several Amendments to be made to the Bill: Which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were the First time read through.
Clause G was twice read; and was for John Bubb and Company, Merchants of Bristoll, to have leave to bring into any Port of England, Ten Tuns of French Wines, Fifty Tons of Salt, Three hundred and Seventy-three Ballets of Canvas, and One hundred and Fifty-five Pieces of Dowlas, that he and they brought before the Twenty-fifth Day of May last, into the Island of Guernsey, from France and Brittany; the said Bubb and Company paying the respective Duties due and payable for them; and making Oath of the Truth of the Premises before the Collector of the Customs, or chief Magistrate, where the said Goods shall happen to be imported:
Clause H was twice read: Being for their Majesties, and such Person as they, under their Privy Seal, or Sign Manual, shall appoint, to hold any Correspondence, for the publick Safety and Welfare of their Majesties Kingdoms.
A Clause was offered to be made Part of the Bill, That from and after the Tenth Day of August 1689, it shall not be lawful for any Person to send or receive any Letters, or draw or receive any Bills of Exchange, to, upon, or from, any Person residing within the French King's Dominions, on the Forfeiture of Two hundred Pounds for every Offence, and Imprisonment upon Conviction for Two Months: The same was twice read; and, upon the Question put thereupon, agreed unto by the House, to be made Part of the Bill.
Conference desired with Lords.
Ordered, That Mr. H. Herbert do go to the Lords, to desire a free Conference upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference, touching the Amendment proposed by the Lords to be made to the Bill, for reversing Two Judgments given in the Court of King's Bench against Titus Oates, Clerk,
Leave of Absence.
Lords agree to Conference.
Mr. Herbert acquaints the House, That he having been, according to their Order, at the Lords, to desire a free Conference, they do agree to a free Conference, on Monday next, at Twelve of the Clock, in the Painted Chamber.
Duty on Coffee, &c.
Also, that the Lords desire a present Conference with this House in the Painted Chamber, upon the Subject Matter of the Amendments to the Bill for collecting the Duty upon Coffee, Tea, and Chocolate, at the Customhouse.
Sir John Trevor reports from the Conference with the Lords, That the Managers appointed had attended: And that the Duke of Bolton and Earl of Rochester managed the Conference on the Part of the Lords: And that they said, the Lords had agreed with this House as to the Matter of the first Amendment by them proposed, and waved their Amendment: But that they insisted upon adding the Clause to the Bill; and gave their Reasons for the same, as followeth:
The Lords are much surprised at the Assertion of the Commons, That, in all Aids given to the King by the Commons, the Rates or Tax ought not to be any way altered by the Lords, since they conceive it hath always been their undoubted Right, in case of any Aids given to the King, to lessen the Rate or Tax granted by the Commons; whereof several Precedents might be given, which, at the present, they are willing to forbear, that they may not revive old Disputes.
But as to the present Proviso now offered by the Lords, their Lordships are of Opinion, this general Point is not the Case now in Difference, it being neither an Alteration, nor Lessening of the Duty laid upon these Commodities: For what is proposed to be drawn back upon the Exportation of them, cannot be said to lessen the Rates imposed upon them. It does indeed take away so much from the King's Income; but adds much more to the Benefit of Trade; of which the Lords conceive they are equal and competent Judges: And therefore they think they are very well founded to insist on the Proviso.
Resolved, That the Committee, who managed the said Conference, do prepare Reasons to be offered at a free Conference with the Lords, Why this House doth not agree with the Lords in the Amendment for adding the said Clause.
Ordered, That Mr. Finch, Mr. Hawles, Sir Hen. Capell, Mr. Grey, Sir Rob. Sawyer, be added to the said Committee: And they are to meet on Monday Morning next, at Eight of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.