Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Veneris, 5 die Decembris; 2° Gulielmi et Mariæ.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Sir Tho. Littleton, Sir Cha. Windham, Mr. Travers, Mr. Thornhaugh, Mr. Buscawen, Mr. Hedger, Sir Tho. Samwell, Sir Roger Puleston, Sir Jervas Elwes, Lord Falkland, Sir Wm. Honeywood, Sir Rob. Davers, Mr. Parkhurst, Mr. Blowfeild, Mr. Arnold, Mr. Biddolph, Sir Tho. Darcy, Mr. Waller, Mr. Christie, Mr. Burdett, Sir Sam. Bernadiston, Sir Walter Young, Mr. Greenvile, Sir Wm. Drake, Mr. Onslow, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Slaughter, Sir Rob. Cotton, Sir Ralph Dutton, and all the Members that serve for the County of Lincolne: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.
An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for the better enabling Jane Bray, Widow, Relict and sole Executrix of the last Will and Testament of Reignald Bray, Esquire, deceased, and others, to the speedy Raising of the Portions already appointed for her Daughters, by the said Reignald Bray, was read the Second time.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Sir Tho. Littleton, Mr. Godolphin, Mr. Harcourt, Mr. Piggott, Mr. Freeman, Mr. Slaughter, Mr. Thornhaugh, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Blowfeild, Sir Wm. Honywood, Mr. Travers, Sir Tho. Darcy, Sir Geo. Willoughby, Mr. Parkhurst, Mr. St. Johns, Mr. England, Mr. Chadwick, Sir Wm. Drake, Sir Rich. How, Mr. Bowyer, Mr. Arnold, Lord Sherrard, Mr. Ash, Mr. Waller, Sir Tho. Pope Blunt, Mr. Beare, Mr. Kenyon, Mr. Hedger, Mr. Biddulph, Mr. Clarke, Mr. Onslow, and all the Members that serve for the Counties of Berks, Gloucester, and Oxon: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.
York Buildings Water Company
Reversing Judgment against Arnold.
Annulling Cambell's Marriage.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Major Vincent, Mr. Travers, Sir Christopher Musgrave, Mr. Beare, Sir Walter Young, Mr. Godolphin, Mr. Gwyn, Mr. Tayler, Sir Rob. Rich, Mr. Arnold, Sir Gilbert Clarke, Mr. Chetwyn, Serjeant Wogan, Mr. Slaughter, Mr. England, Mr. Hutchinson, Sir Cha. Sidley, Mr. Christie, Mr. Onslow, Mr. Musgrave, Colonel Birch, Sir Cha. Bloys, Sir Robert Cotton, Mr. Dowdswell, Mr. Fenwick, Mr. Harley, Mr. Dawney, Sir Rob. Edon, Sir Orlando Gee, Mr. Lampton, Sir Sam. Bernadiston, Sir Ralph Carre, Mr. Gray, Mr. Blowfeild, Sir Jervas Elwes, Mr. Rich. How, Mr. Dyott, Sir Tho. Mompesson, Mr. Ryder, Mr. Hedger, Mr. Bockenham, Mr. England, Mr. Biddolph, Sir John Brownlow, Mr. Ramsden: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber: And are impowered to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
Leave of Absence.
|Tellers for the Yeas,||Lord Cornbury,||74.|
|Tellers for the Noes,||Sir Tho. Bernadiston,||59.|
Act of Navigation respecting English Seamen.
Sir Math. Andrewes reports from the Committee to whom the Bill for suspending, during the War with France, that Part of the Act of Navigation which obliges English Ships to sail with English Seamen, That they had agreed upon several Amendments to be made to the Bill: Which they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards, delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were once read throughout, and then a Second time, one by one; and, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.
Resolved, That the Bill, with the said Clause, be recommitted to the same Committee to whom the Bill was committed: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock in the Speaker's Chamber: And it is to be an Instruction to the said Committee, That they do prepare and bring in a Clause, That all such Foreign Ships as were in the Hands of Englishmen, in the Year 1685, and which were allowed by the Act made in the First Year of the late King James, intituled, An Act to encourage the Building of Ships in England, paying the Twelve-pence per Ton by the said Act, be allowed, paying the same Duty, to navigate with Foreign Seamen.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being put, That it be an Instruction also to the said Committee, That the said Committee allow all Ships called Catts to trade for Masts during the present War;
Navy and Army Estimates, &c.
Sir Samuel Bernadiston, according to the Order of the Day, reported from the Committee to whom the Consideration of the Estimates and Accompts relating to the Navy, and Treasury, were referred, That the State of the Accompt of the Army appeared to them to be as followeth; viz.
It is queried, Whether Poundage is to be allowed upon several sums paid by Mr. Harbord unto the King of Denmark, Arms bought in Holland, Tents, and Contingencies; and then there may be an Objection made of about Twenty of Thirty thousand Pounds; which not appearing to us, we leave it as the Accompt now stands.
3. That these Accompts of Time being wanting, it is not possible to know, Whether there is justly due to the Army the Arrears which the Accompt mentions: But taking it de bene esse, the Deductions and Exceptions before mentioned ought to sink that Accompt of Arrears.
4. That all the Accompts of what is due and in Arrear to the Army, is calculated according to the Establishment, and not according to Muster; which could the Committee have had, their Opinion is, the Army would have been indebted to the King.
5. That there are great Sums charged in general for Contingencies, amounting in the Whole to Fifty-five thousand Four hundred Thirty-three Pounds Thirteen Shillings and Eleven-pence, of which no Particulars appear to the Committee, except some few in Mr. Harbord's Accompt.
6. That the Committee hitherto had been able only to examine the Accompt of the Army; they find, beside the Accompts from the Ordnance, Navy, and Commissioners for Transports, great Sums of Money paid for Transports, for Mr. Harbord and Mr. Fox, in the Army Accompt; viz. by Mr. Fox, Thirteen thousand Pounds; and, by Mr. Harbord, Twenty-nine thousand Two hundred Sixty Pounds Seven Shillings and Eight-pence.
7. That they find a Charge for Works and Fortifications, brought in by the Office of the Ordnance, to the Sum of Seventeen thousand Nine hundred Eighty-four Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Seven-pence Half-peny, the Particulars of which appear in that Accompt; besides which, the Lord Ranelagh charges to Garisons, Sixteen thousand Four-hundred Fifty-one Pounds Five Shillings and One Peny Three Farthings, of which he gives no Particular; and so it doth not appear to the Committee, what Accompt it doth properly belong to.
8. That the Lord Ranelagh brings in among the Arrears, what was due to the Regiments of Werden, Butler, Gage, Ellyot, Newcastle, Hamilton, and Dorrington, to clear them to the Days on which they were disbanded, the Sum of Seven thousand One hundred Eighty-six Pounds Eleven Shillings and Eleven-pence; besides Ten thousand Eight hundred Fifty-two Pounds Nine Shillings and a Peny paid to them and the Irish Guards; to Independent Companies; to Companies in New England, and Colonel Carne's Regiment, when they were disbanded: But he gives no Accompt when they were disbanded, or whether they were ever in the Service of this Government, or how the Lord Ranelagh his own Accompt stood, when the late King James went away, by which it might have appeared, Whether he had any Monies then in his Hand to pay them.
9. That the Lord Ranelagh paid to the English Forces in Flanders, out of the Product of Tin, which Sum is not yet brought to the Accompt of the particular Regiments there, Eight thousand Four hundred Pounds: The Committee, until the Lord explains it, cannot determine, Whether that Sum ought to sink the Arrears or not.
10. That the Committee having before them several Persons whom Mr. Harbord charges to have paid them Monies on Account of Provisions and Cloaths; so many of them that have appeared, do own the Money received accordingly; and say, They will bring in their Accompts: But that the Committee have wanted Time to receive them all, or to examine any, but leave that to further Time, and Directions of the House: But that, in the mean time, the Committee came to several Resolutions: Which Sir Sam. Bernadiston read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were read; and are as followeth; viz.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That what Provisions have been made for the Army in Ireland, except Provisions in a Ship called the Reformation, which was cast away in the Isle of Man, ought not to be charged as a Debt to the Publick, but ought to be deducted out of their Arrears.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Committee, That whatever Cloathing has been made for the Armies, and brought to Accompt, ought not to be charged as a Debt to the Publick, but ought to be deducted out of the Arrears.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That whatever Sums have issued out for Recruit Horses for the Armies, ought not to be charged as a Debt to the Public, but ought to be deducted out of the Arrears.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twelve-pence in the Pound ought to be deducted out of whatever Monies have been issued out and paid to the Use of the Army, pursuant to his Majesty's Warrants.
Sir Sam. Bernadiston also reported from the said Committee, That they had considered the Petition of the Masters and Owners of the Transport Ships; and that they alledged, That there is due to them about the Sum of Three hundred and Twenty thousand Pounds; and that the Commissioners employed for Transport Ships, do, by their Accompt delivered in to this House the Thirtieth of October last, own, That there was then due for Transport Ships, the Sum of Two hundred Eightyfive thousand Two hundred Ninety-two Pounds Two Shillings and Five-pence: And that the Committee do humbly recommend it to the Consideration of the House, That some speedy Course be taken to pay off the said Debt; which the Committee conceive will be for the Honour of his Majesty, and Service of the Nation: For it hath also been made appear to the Committee, by several of Masters and Owners of Transport Ships, That several of them have been arrested, and do now lie under Arrests in several great Actions, by Seamen, for Wages, and other Tradesmen: That their Ships have been also arrested; and that if some speedy Course be not taken for their Relief, their said Ships will be condemned, and they, with their Wives and Children, inevitably perish.
He also acquainted the House, That the Committee had several other Things in relation to the Accompts to them referred under their Consideration: But that they were not ready as yet to make any Report to the House thereupon.
Ordered, That the said Report be taken into further Consideration upon Tuesday Morning next: And that the Persons who are concerned therein may have Copies thereof, and of the said Observations and Resolutions.
Supply Bill; East India Goods.
Supply Bill; Wine Duties.
Leave of Absence.
Commissioners of Accompts.
Attainting Persons in Rebellion.
Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow Morning at Eleven a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to proceed further in the Consideration of the Bill for Attainting of the Persons that are or have been in Rebellion in England and Ireland, and for confiscating their Estates, and applying the same towards the Charge of the present War.
Earl of Salisbury's Estate.
Ordered, That the Report from the Committee to whom the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for limiting the Power of James now Earl of Salisbury, to cut off the Intail of his Estate, was committed, be made upon Tuesday Morning next, at Eleven a Clock.
Trade with France.
Ordered, That Mr. Travers and Mr. Trelawny be added to the Committee appointed to prepare and bring in a Bill for the more effectual putting in Execution the Act for prohibiting all Trade and Commerce with France.
Ordered, That Mr. Cooke, Mr. Beddingfeild, Mr. Stockdale, Mr. Thornhaugh, Mr. Thomson, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Lewknor, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Mr. Brockman, Mr. Henley, be added to the Committee to whom the Bill for preventing Escapes of Prisoners for Debt, and for the more effectual Relief of the Subject, in Cases of Escapes, is committed.