Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Lunæ, 14 die Decembris; 3° Gulielmi et Mariæ.
Leave of Absence.
An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for the vesting and settling divers Lands in Gloucestershire, in Trustees, to be sold, for the paying the remaining Portions of the Children of George Mountague, Esquire, deceased, was read the Second time,
St. Anne's Westminster Parish.
An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act disabling Minors to marry without the Consent of their Fathers, or Guardians, and against their untimely Marrying after the Decease of their Fathers; and for preventing all clandestine Marriages for the future, was read the First time.
Lord Hatton's Estate.
Sir Joseph Tredenham reported from the Committee to whom the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for settling a Fee Farm Rent of One hundred Pounds per Annum, upon the Bishop of Ely, and his Successors to be issuing out of Hatton Garden in the County of Middlesex, and the Messuages thereupon erected, and for settling and assuring the same, subject to the said Rent, upon Christopher Lord Viscount Hatton, his Heirs and Assigns for ever, was committed, That they had made some Amendments to the Bill; which they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards, delivered in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were once read throughout; and are as followeth; viz.
Ordered, That Sir Jos. Tredenham do carry the Bill to the Lords, and acquaint them, That this House hath agreed to the Bill, with the said Amendments; and desire their Concurrence to the said Amendments.
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have passed a Bill, intituled, An Act to enable Trustees to sell the Estate of Edward Smith, Esquire, deceased, to raise Monies for Payment of his Debts; and to make Provision for his Children who are Infants: To which they desire the Concurrence of this House.
Tythe of Hemp and Flax.
Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to vest certain Messuages, Lands, and Tenements in Thorpe, Langton, and elsewhere in the County of Leicester, in Trustees, to be sold for Payment of Debts of Richard Roberts, Esquire, and for raising Portions for his Daughters, be read To-morrow Morning a Second time.
Albury, &c. Lands enfrancishement.
Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for enfranchising several Lands and Tenements holden of the Manor of Albury and North Mims in the County of Hertford, be read To-morrow Morning.
Supply Bill; Excise.
An ingrossed Clause was offered, as a Rider, to the Bill; That true Notes of the Gauges shall be left by the Gaugers with all Brewers, or Retailers of Beer, or other exciseable Liquors, upon Penalty of for every Offence.
Punishing Mutiny and Desertion.
A Bill for the paying the Army, according to the Musters of effective Men, and for better Paying of Quarters, and likewise for Preventing of false Musters, and for punishing Mutineers and Deserters, was, according to the Order of the Day, read a Second time.
Clandestine trading to France.
|Tellers for the Yeas,||Sir Rob. Cotton,||36.|
|Sir Cha. Windham,|
|Tellers for the Noes,||Sir Rob. Davers,||177.|
Causes in Chancery.
Also the Lords desire a Conference with this House, To-morrow Morning at Eleven a Clock, in the Painted Chamber, upon the Subject Matter of a former Conference relating to Papers taken in a French Vessel.
Army Estimates, &c.
Sir John Guise, according to the Order of the Day, reported from the Committee to whom the Consideration of the Estimates relating to the Army in England, Scotland, and the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas, was referred, That they had considered the same; and had come to several Resolutions thereupon; and directed him to report, That, out of the Sixty-four thousand Nine hundred and Twenty-four Men voted by the House for the Service of next Year, Twelve thousand Nine hundred and Sixty being set apart for the Service of Ireland, under different Considerations of Pay and otherwise, from those within the Care of this Committee, the Numbers for other Service that remain, are Fifty-one thousand Nine hundred and Sixty-four: Which Forces stand upon Three Establishments; viz. the English, the Danes, and the Dutch: According to which Method, the Committee proceeded, and considered first of the English Forces, in relation to their Order, Discipline, Pay, &c. and to compare several Establishments made in the time of King Charles the Second, King James, and his present Majesty; and found a Difference in the Pay of the Two Regiments of English Foot Guards, their Pay being advanced; and then considered of the Officers and Soldiers Pay; and found to agree with the Establishment.
That the Committee considered of the Danish Establishment; and afterwards, the Dutch Establishments: Which, upon comparing, they found the Pay of some Officers greater than the English Establishments; and some Officers very low in their Pay upon the same Establishments; as Lieutenants and Ensigns, Three Shillings, and Two Shillings and Six-pence per Diem.
But that they thought it fit to have the English Establishments the Measure for all the rest, concerning the said Matters; and thereby, for One hundred Twenty-five Troops of Horse, containing Seven thousand Seven hundred and Seventy Men, their Charge is Five hundred Thirty-three thousand Seven hundred and Sixty-three Pounds Sixteen Shillings and Eight-pence.
That, for Six hundred Fourteen Companies of Foot, making Forty-one thousand Seven hundred and Fourteen, the Charge is Eight hundred Fifty-five thousand Eight hundred and Twelve Pounds Ten Shillings and Six-pence.
|Troops and Companies 775|
|Number of Men 51,964|
|And the whole Charge of them||1,489,829||14||-|
That, in the next place, the Committee considered of the List of the General Officers, and their Pay: And comparing it with the ancient English Establishment, in which there were not found Two General Officers that are upon the present List; viz. a General of the Foot, and a General of the Horse: Which was debated.
And that afterwards, the Committee took into Consideration the Establishment of the Garisons: And, having gone through all the Heads, entered into a Debate, That the Garisons being a like Charge in War and Peace, were . . Opinion, Nothing ought to be considered by them, but what was an extraordinary Charge, by reason of this War.
That they then proceeded to consider of the Estimates for the Ordnance: And that it being agreed by those to whose Care it belonged, That the Estimates were calculated in a Proportion to the whole Number of Men voted: And that, whereas a little more than half were designed to pass the Seas, those Heads ought to be reduced accordingly' which related to this Reference: Yet because all the Heads did not, they thought convenient to consider each Head particularly; and did the same accordingly.
So that the Sum of Two hundred Fifty-four thousand Six hundred and Eight Pounds Sixteen Shillings and Three Pence, which was brought in upon the Heads of the Ordnance, was lessened to Two hundred and Ten thousand Seven hundred and Seventy-three Pounds Four Shillings and Five-pence.
That then the Committee considered the Estimate of the Transportation: Which they thought convenient likewise to consider, Head by Head: And being of Two Parts, one for the Transport of the Forces, the other of the Ordnance, they proceeded first upon the Forces: And whereas the whole Sum given in for the Transport, was One hundred and thirty-six thousand Pounds, they abated the same to Ninety-two thousand Two hundred and Seventy-two Pounds Fifteen Shillings and Two-pence.
That then they proceeded upon the Ordnance: Which was of the same Nature with the former: And whereas the whole Charge of transporting the Ordnance was given in at Twenty thousand Three hundred and Seventy-five Pounds, they reduced the same to Fifteen thousand Four hundred and Seventy-eight Pounds Three Shillings and Six-pence.
But that it seemed unreasonable, That the Forces should be paid by the Day, and yet be provided at Sea also: And that the said Deductions being made through all the Heads of the Transports accordingly, the Two Totals for Transportation did make up the whole Charge of Transportation, as abated by the Committee; a Deduction being made throughout all the Computation, according to the former Vote of the One hundred and Seven thousand Seven hundred and Fifty Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Eight-pence.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Pay of the Field Staff Officers, commissioned and Non-commissioned Officers, and Soldiers upon the English Establishments, designed to serve in England, Scotland, the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas, for the Year 1692, be the same with the Year 1691.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Establishment of the Dutch Forces, being computed according to the English Pay, is reasonable, and to be the Establishment for the Dutch Troops in the English Pay, for the Year 1692.
Resolved, That Twenty-two thousand Pounds of the Forty-four thousand Seven hundred and Seventy-three Pounds Four Shillings and Five-pence, in the Total of the first Head of the Estimates for the Ordnance, be deducted, in Consideration of the Forces remaining in England, Ireland, Scotland, and the West Indies:
That Twenty-two thousand Seven hundred and Seventy Three Pounds Four Shillings and Five-pence be a reasonable Estimate for the Recruits of the Arms, as likewise for the Proportion of Spare Arms for the same:
That the Sum of Eight thousand Pounds is reasonable to be allowed for the cleaning and repairing Arms, Armour, and other Stores, according to the Estimate delivered in by the Ordnance for the Year 1692:
That the Sum of Eleven thousand Pounds, for providing a Train of Artillery and Mortars, together with Bombs, Carcases, Shot, Waggons, Harness, Working Materials, and all other Necessaries for the same, is a reasonable Sum for the said Service for the Year 1692:
That the Sum of Fifty thousand Pounds for the Charge of the proper Officers, Ministers, and Attendants, necessary for the said Train for one Year, as likewise for Providing and Keeping of Draught Horses, and other Contingencies, is a reasonable Sum for the said Service for the Year 1692:
That Two-pence Halfpenny per Pound is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for Cheese, for the Provisions for the Forces to be transported from Ireland to England, and from England to Scotland, beyond the Seas:
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That a Deduction be made out of the Pay of such of the above-mentioned Troops as shall be transported from Ireland, supposing them to be Eight Days on board; and from the Pay of such as shall be transported from England, supposing them to be Four Days on board; at the Rates of Twelve-pence per Diem for an Horse, Six-pence for a Dragoon, and Four-pence for a Foot Soldier; and for those which shall go by Long Sea from Ireland to Flanders, supposing them to be Twenty-one Days on board, at the same Rates.
Ordered, That the Consideration of the said Report and Resolutions be referred to the Committee of the whole House, who are to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties, for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.
Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow Morning at Eleven a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties, for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.
Supply Bill; Land Tax.
Ordered, That the Bill for granting to their Majesties the Sum of One Million Six hundred Fifty-one thousand Seven hundred and Two Pounds upon Lands, . . . the carrying on a vigorous War against France, be read Tomorrow Morning.
Ordered, That the adjourned Debate of Thursday last, touching the bringing in a Bill to encourage Privateers against France, and for the better securing the Trade of the Nation, be resumed upon Wednesday Morning next, at Ten a Clock.
Army in Ireland.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Saturday Morning next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of Ways to satisfy the Debts due to the Orphans of the City of London.