Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 11, 1693-1697. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1803.
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Martis, 30 die Martii;
9° Gulielmi Tertii.
AN ingrossed Bill, from the Lords, intituled, An Act for vesting part of the Estate of Richard Moyle, Gentleman, in Trustees, to be sold, for Payment of Debts, was read the First time.
Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.
The Report from the Commissioners for taking and stating the Publick Accounts, upon the Petition of several Troopers belonging to the Regiment of Horse, lately commanded by Colonel Byerly, and, at present by Colonel Windham, formerly presented to the House, was read; and is as followeth;
THAT Mr. John Curtis, Agent to the said Regiment whilst in Ireland, did, in the Month of April last, transmit to the Commissioners a Book, containing the stated Account of each Troop, and Officer, belonging to the said Regiment, from the 1st of September 1689, to which time the said Regiment was cleared, unto the 31th of March 1692.
Which Account, so far as it concerns the Petitioners, has been abstracted, containing an Account of all Money paid, and otherwise charged upon each Troop, within the Time above mentioned, for Provisions, Ordnance, Stores, Horses, Carriage, Hospitals, Cloaths, Accoutrements, Poundage, Agency, and Contingencies, &c.; as also an exact Computation of the Pay due to each Troop, exclusive of the Commission-Officers, and their Servants, for the whole time.
That, according as the Agent has stated the Accounts of each Troop, it appears, That Five of the Six Troops have been over-paid from 215l. to 433l. a Troop; and to the other Troop there is but 108l. 17s. 4d. due for Balance: And, if these Accounts be to determine the particular Accounts of each Trooper, and subaltern Officer, then the Petitioners have little or no Ground for their Complaint:
But the Commissioners are of Opinion, That these general Accounts, however material they may be to adjust Matters betwixt the Colonel, his Agent, and the respective Captains of each Troop; yet they cannot justly determine the particular Accounts depending betwixt the Captains and their respective Troopers; which will further appear by comparing the following Account of a Trooper's Pay, for the Time above mentioned, according to the Agent's State, with a subsequent Account, stated according to the Allowance of the Establishments, and the usual Practice throughout the Army at this present time:
On the other hand it is observable.
1. That the Petition sets forth, as if his Majesty had paid all the Arrears due to this Regiment for the Time above; whereas it appears to the Commissioners, that there is yet due 1,301l. 6s. 6d.; which, when paid, would go a great way towards clearing the Arrears due to the Petitioners; and, as is alleged by Colonel Byerly, will be applied accordingly, although, by the Agent's Accounts, it appears, in Page 168, there is 2,608l. 15s. 43/8d. due to several Officers; who, probably, will obtain the Preference in respect to the Money due to the Regiment from his Majesty.
2. That in most of the Accounts of the Regiments that served in Ireland, the Cloaths, Accoutrements, &c. do far exceed the Off-Reckonings, which ought to discharge the same; and is the chiefest Occasion of Complaint to the Petitioners, as well as many others, that have petitioned the Parliament, &c.:
3. That the Subsistence due to the Army whilst in Ireland, not being regularly paid in Money, as usual, the Soldiers did, on Account thereof, receive, from time to time, from his Majesty's Commissaries, Bread, and other Provisions; as also they contracted Debts in Quarters; for which, as also for Ordnance, Stores, Recruit-Horses, &c. in their own Way of accounting, they did never expect to allow; which puts them upon greater Demands for Arrears, than, upon Examination, appears in reality due to them; which Mistakes, when discovered to them, have greatly increased their Complaints.
That, in respect to Colonel Robert Byerly, mentioned in the Petition, it appears, That his Commission, as Colonel of this Regiment, commenced the 1st Day of January 1689; and that he laid it down, and left the Regiment, on the 31th of January 169½.
But the Commissioners, for the more Exactness in this their Report, summoned Colonel Windham also, who succeeded Colonel Byerly, and is the present Colonel of this Regiment; who, upon Examination, made several Objections to the above-mentioned Accounts of Colonel Byerly: And, upon a full Hearing of the said Objections, it appears to the Commissioners, that Colonel Byerly, by reason of several Mistakes, must be accountable to the Regiment for the following Sums;
There is another objection, made by Colonel Windham, relating to 2,000l. charged by Colonel Byerly, to be paid for Cloaths delivered in the Lord Hewett's time; which, Colonel Byerly alleged, was paid the Clothiers out of the Pay-Office, by express Order of the Treasury; and that he never touched One Farthing of that Money; However, there is a Difference of 127l. 19s. 3d. on this Account; which Colonel Byerly must make good to the Regiment, in case he cannot prove the Payment thereof.
And, these Matters being as is above expressed with relation to Colonel Byerly, it seems reasonable, that Colonel Windham, who succeeded him as Colonel, and has since received upwards of 11,000l. from the Paymasters, on Account of the Irish Arrear, from the 1st of September 1689, to the 31th of March 1692, should be accountable for the same to the Regiment: And he hath promised to deliver in his Accounts of what he hath received in a few Days.
Ordered, That the said Report be referred to the Paymasters of the Army for Ireland, as a Direction to them in making up the future Accounts of that Regiment.
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Sir Wm. Drake have Leave to go into the Country, upon extraordinary Occasions.
Ordered, That Sir Thomas Estcourt have Leave to go into the Country, for Recovery of his Health.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Miles Cooke and Sir John Franklyn:
The Lords have passed a Bill, intituled, An Act for the speedy Payment of the Debts of Sir Wm. Thompson Knight, Serjeant at Law, deceased: To which they desire the Concurrence of this House.
And then the Messengers withdrew.
Creditors on Wine Duties.
A Petition of sundry Persons, in behalf of themselves, and others, who have Monies on the Duties of Wine, Vinegar, and Tobacco, was presented to the House:
And a Motion being made, and the Question put, That the said Petition be read;
It passed in the Negative.
Abuses in the Mint.
Ordered, That the Report from the Committee appointed to examine what Dyes have been got out of the Tower, and by what Means; and to inquire into the Miscarriages of the Officers of the Mint; be made upon Thursdáy Morning next.
Supply Bill; Wine Duties.
A Bill for granting to his Majesty certain Duties upon Wines, for carrying on the War against France, was, according to Order, read a Second time.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being put, That the Bill be committed;
The House divided.
The Yeas go forth.
|Tellers for the Yeas,||
Sir Hen. Colt,
|Tellers for the Noes,||
Sir Tho. Davall,
Sir Wm. Ashurst:
So it was resolved in the Affirmative.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Thursday Morning next, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the said Bill.
Resolved, That the said Committee be impowered to consider of Ways and Means for raising an Equivalent for the said Duty, if they think fit.
Supply Bill; Duty on Leather.
The House, according to the Order of the Day, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Bill for laying a Duty upon Leather, for the Term of Three Years, for answering the Deficiencies, as well of the late Duties upon Coals and Culm, as for paying the Annuities on the Lotteries, and for Lives charged on the Tonage of Ships, and the Duties upon Salt; and other Matters to them referred.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Sir Tho. Littleton took the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Sir Thomas Littleton reported from the said Committee, That they had gone through the Bill; and made several Amendments; which they had directed him to report, when the House would please to receive the same.
Ordered, That the said Report be made To-morrow Morning.
Duties on Tin.
Sir Tho. Littleton also reported from the said Committee, That they had considered the Matter to them referred, relating to the Duty upon Tin, and had come to a Resolution; which they had directed him to report, when the House will please to receive the same.
Ordered, That the said Report be made To-morrow Morning.
Duties on Glass.
Sir Tho. Littleton also reported from the said Committee, That they had not as yet considered the Petition of the Glass and Earthen Ware, and Tobacco-pipe, Makers, nor the Report relating to the Glass-makers, to them referred; but had directed him to move, That they may have Leave to sit again, in order thereunto.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Tuesday Morning next, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the said Petition and Report.
Supply Bill; Malt Duties.
Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow Morning, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Bill for granting to his . . . . . . certain Duties upon Malt and Mum, Sweets, Cyder, and Perry, as well towards carrying on the War against France, as for the necessary Expence of his Majesty's Houshold, and other Occasions.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow Morning, Nine a Clock.