House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 08 December 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, 8 Decembris, 1642.


Waggon discharged.

ORDERED, That the Order Yesterday made for the Stay of Colonel Grantham's Waggon, be forthwith vacated and discharged; and the Waggon discharged.

Exeter Cathedral.

Ordered, That Mr. Prideaux do draw up an Order concerning the melting down such of the Bells in the Cathedral at Exon, as may be spared; the making use of Part of the Cathedral to be a Magazine of Victuals for the Poor, the suspending the Exercise of Singing Service during these troublesome Times.

Erecting a Mint at Exeter.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Safety of the Tower do confer and consult with the Officers and Moneyers of the Minte in the Tower, concerning the Translating or Erecting of a Mint in the City of Exon.

Answer from Lords.

Sir H. Vane reports, That the Lords (as to the Orders carried up by him Yesterday) did return this Answer, That they would send Answer unto them by Messengers of their own.

Message to Lords.

Sir Wm. Armyn went up to the Lords, to desire an Answer to the Orders carried up Yesterday by Sir H. Vane junior, and Mr. Pym; and likewise to the Votes concerning the Master of the Rolls; and to desire them to expedite the Answer to his Majesty's Declaration touching the Commission of Array.


Sir Wm. Armyn brings Answer, That the Lords do assent unto all the Orders brought up Yesterday unto them by Sir H. Vane and Mr. Pym: But as to the Votes concerning the Master of the Rolls, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Dionis Back Church Lecturer.

Whereas it appears by a Petition this Day presented from the Churchwarden, and other Parishioners, of the Parish of Dionis Back Church, London, That, according to an Order of Vestry, made with the Consent and Allowance of George Hume, the Rector of the said Parish, that the Petitioners made Choice of William Belcher Clerk, an orthodox Divine, to be their Lecturer: And that the said Mr. Hume refuseth the said Lecturer to perform his Office, according to the said Choice: It is Ordered, That the said Mr. Belcher be recommended to the said Parishioners: And that the said Rector do permit him the Use of his Pulpit, and the free Exercise of his Function, as Lecturer, without any Molestation or Interruption.

Declaration in answer to the King.

Mr. Glyn, according to Order, presented the Declaration, in Answer to his Majesty's late Declaration, set forth presently, upon the late Battle at Edgehill: The which was read; and, by Vote upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent up to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Popish Commanders in King's Army.

Ordered, That a Catalogue of the Names of the Popish Commanders in the King's .... be printed with this Declaration: And that Mr. Glyn shall.... the Motives that induced both Houses to make the Resolution of never consenting to any Toleration of the Popish Religion in any of his Majesty's Dominions.

Sufferers by Plunder.

Whereas this House is informed, That Mr. Bayles, of Witham, in the County of Essex, Esquire, is plundered by divers ill-disposed Persons in that County, and his Goods taken from him by Force: It is this Day Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament, That all such Goods taken from the said Mr. Bailes, in whose Custody or Possession soever they be, being found by the said Mr. Bailes, or any employed by him, and Denial made of Restitution, upon Sight hereof; that then it shall be lawful for them, or any of them, to search for, and seize, any of the said Goods so taken away as aforesaid; or any Horses or Cattle taken away by Force from the said Mr. Bailes, by Soldiers, or any other Persons ill-disposed: And all Constables, and other Officers, and all other his Majesty's People, are hereby required to be aiding and assisting to the said Mr. Bailes, or such as he shall appoint, in searching for, and seizing his said Goods, in what Place soever the said Goods are, or are justly suspected to be.

Mr. Whitlocke, Mr. Holby, Mr. Powell, to have the like Order.

Ordered, That the like Order be made for all other Persons that have been plundered by the King's Forces, or any others.

Reflections on Parliament, &c.

Resolved, &c. That Wm. Hall shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, for speaking of scandalous Words against the Parliament, and running away from his Colours.


The Question being put, Whether Sir Tho. Barrington should now report the Conference had with the Lords the other Day;

The House was divided.

Mr. Martyn, Tellers for the Yea, 30.
Sir W. Allison,
Lord Dungarven, Tellers for the Noe, 29.
Mr. Nicolls,

County Association.

Whereupon Sir Tho. Barrington reported, That the Lord Manchester did express, That, not many Days since he had received an Order of Association for several Counties, under the Command of the Lord Gray, General: That the Lords thought it to be a Diminution of the Power of their Ordinance for Lord Lieutenants of those Counties; for that he had Power to lead Men out of those Counties, notwithstanding their Power: But, because the Work may not be hindered, they were content to surrender up their Commissions; and desire, that this Power granted to the Lord Gray may be subordinate to the Lord General the Earl of Essex.

Letter Office.

Mr. Whitlocke reports the Second Part of the Conference: That it was concerning the Letter Office: That it had long depended in the House of Peers; it concerned a Person of Honour, and one that had expressed much Affection to the Commonwealth: That he delivered Three Papers of Orders concerning this Business; and One of the Orders (said to be an Order of this House) which doth cross an Order made by their Lordships concerning the Letter Office: And an Affidavit also was delivered by his Lordship. That the Lords desired this House to give their speedy Resolutions herein, because it concerned a Person of so much Honour.

Ordered, That the first Part of this Report, concerning the Association, shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning, the first Business.