House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 08 May 1641

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 8 Maii, 1641.


The Protestation.

NR. Tho. Eversfeild, Mr. George Searle, Mr. Charles Baldwin, this Day made the Protestation.

Molton Marsh.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Fen, unto which the Bill of Molton Marsh is committed, do meet on Saturday next, in the Court of Wards, to consider of that Bill.

Leave of Absence.

Mr. Trevanion has Leave to go into the Country for some time, for Recovery of his Health.


The Committee for Printing and Licensing of Books, is to meet on Monday next at Two Post meridiem, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Sir E. Deering's Speech.

That the Printing of Sir Edward Deering's Speech be referred to the Committee, appointed to consider of the Printing of the Lord Digbye's Speech.

Popish Recusants.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for Repeal of the First Proviso in the Statute of 3° Jacobi, cap. 5°, touching Popish Recusants.

2da vice lecta est Billa prædicta; upon Question, committed to Mr. Evelyn, Mr. Law. Whitakers, Mr. Bagshawe, Mr. Carew, Mr. White, Mr. Pelham, Mr. * Goodwin, Sir Edw. Deering, Mr. Rowse, Sir John Jennings, Sir Roger North, Mr. Shoughborough, Alderman Pennington, Sir Wm. Allinson, Mr. Hide, Sir Wm. Armyn, Mr. Knatchbull, Mr. Wheeler, Alderman Sommes, Mr. Perd, Sir Robert Pye, Sir Edw. Hales, Sir Edw. Aiscough, Sir Dudley North, Sir John Francklyn, Mr. Selden, Sir Wm. Massam, Sir Tho. Cheecke, Mr. Corbett: And are to meet on Tuesday post meridiem, in the Court of Wards.

Proceedings against Finch.

Mr. White reports, from the Grand Committee for Religion, the Case of Mr. Edward Finch, Vicar of Christ-church, London.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the said Mr. Edward Finch is guilty of practising Innovations in the Church, Non-residence, foul Extortions, Neglect of the Duty of his Function, and Prophaning of the Sacraments; a Man of Prophane Life, scandalous in his Doctrine and Conversation, and a Hinderer of Preaching.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the said Edward Finch is a Man unfit to hold any Benefice or Promotion in the Church.

Ordered, That Mr. White shall speedily prepare the Transmission of this Case to the Lords, to the end that the Parish of Christ-church may the sooner be eased of him.

Scandalous Ministers.

Ordered, That the Committee for scandalous Ministers meet on Monday next at Two post meridiem, in the Court of Wards: And the Report of Dr. Utye's Case, to be reported on Wednesday Morning next.

Conference with Lords.

Sir Jo. Culpeper reports the First Part of the Conference, had with the Lords Yesterday post meridiem:

Three Things, Occasion of that Conference.

1. The Bill that was brought up Yesterday, twice read, and committed.

Three Exceptions.

1. - Relation to Monies that should be advanced, and not to Monies that were already advanced;-all Monies raised, and to be raised.

2. Touching the Limitation of Time.- The Time to be Two Years.

3. A Proviso wanting, that the Passing of this Bill should not determine this Session of Parliament.

Loan from the City.

Ordered, That the Fifty thousand Pounds, borrowed by the Lords of the Great Council at Yorke, of the Citizens of the City of London, for the Supply of his Majesty's Army in the North, shall be taken into Consideration, for the Repayment thereof, by this House.

Naval Affairs.

Mr. Capell reports the Second Part of the Conference, delivered by the Earl of Warwicke.

Moved, That a Committee of Three or Four might be appointed to draw some Heads, to secure the Land, as well as the Sea: And likewise, that there might be a temporary Act, to press Men; and likewise, to govern them, when they are pressed:

That a Message be forthwith sent to the Lords, to desire a Conference; and, at That Conference, to desire, that an Order of both Houses be agreed on, that shall, for the present, authorize the Pressing and Governing of Mariners, in the same Manner as formerly it hath been: And this Order to continue, until the end of November next.

Levying Mariners.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the better Levying of Mariners, for the Defence of this Realm.

2da vice lecta est Billa prædicta; and upon Question, committed to Serjeant Wilde, Sir Rich. Buller, Mr. Whistler, Mr. Glyn, Sir Hen. Vane, Mr. Cage, Sir Gil. Gerrard, Mr. Cholmeley, Mr. Carew, Sir Edw. Rodney, Mr. Arth. Goodwin, Mr. Capell, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Pierpoint, Lord Fairefax, Mr. Treasurer, Sir John Culpeper, Mr. Crew, Mr. Benson, Mr. Vassall, Sir Thomas Barrington, the Citizens of London, and the Burgesses of the Port Towns: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Two post meridiem, in the Court of Wards.

Naval Affairs.

Mr. Treasurer, Sir John Hotham, Sir John Culpeper, Mr. Pierpoint, Sir Hen. Vane, Mr. Hollis, Sir Edw. Hungerford, Sir John Morricke, Colonel Ashburnham, Commissary Wilmott, Mr. Capell, Mr. Selden, Sir Edw. Deering, Sir Hugh Cholmley, Mr. Crew, Sir Tho. Barrington;

This Committee is to prepare Heads for a Conference, to be desired with the Lords, concerning the Securing the Land, as well as the Sea: And are to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Affairs of the Kingdom.

A Message from the Lords, by J. Foster and J. Heath;

The Lords desire a present free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, presently in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the great and weighty Affairs of the Kingdom.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House has taken into Consideration their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Treasurer, Sir John Colpeper, Mr. Perpoint, Lord Falkland, Sir Edw. Hungerford, Mr. Hollis, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Committee to the North.

Mr. Hampden brings the Letter again from the Committee of Seven, that is to be sent down to the North: Which was read:


Letter concerning the Plot.

Whereas there have been just Causes of Jealousy, that there have been some secret Attempts and Practices, to infuse into the Army a Mislike of this Parliament, to some dangerous Intents and Purposes, against the State; and that now the Matter is grown unto a strong Presumption, upon further Discoveries; and, by reason that some of those which were suspected to have been active therein are fled, upon the first stirring thereof, before ever they were once named; it hath pleased this House to declare, that, notwithstanding they intend to search into the Bottom of this Conspiracy, yet, purposing to proceed especially against the principal Actors therein, this House hath resolved, (whereunto the House of Peers hath likewise consented) that for such of the Army as the Conspirators have endeavoured to work upon, if they shall testify their Fide lity to the State, by a timely Discovery of that which they know, and can certify, therein; they shall not only be freed from all Punishment, but also shall be esteemed to have done that which is for the Service of the State, in Discovery of so dangerous a Plot against it: And for such of the Army as are and shall be found no Ways tainted with this dangerous Design, or, knowing any thing thereof, shall make such Discovery as aforesaid; as this House shall no ways doubt of their Loyalty and Fidelity, so it will have an especial Care, not only to satisfy all such Arrears as this House hath formerly promised to discharge, but also give a fair Testimony of the Sense they have of their present and past Wants: And it is ordered by this House, that, immediately after the Receipt hereof, you should communicate this their Declaration unto all the Officers and Members of the Army under your Command.

A Copy of this, under Mr. Speaker's Hand, was sent to Sir John Coniers and Sir Jacob Ashley.

Mr. Perpoint reports the Conference:

The Commission for Portesmouth is already gone down; and the Lord Mandevile is gone down.

The Proclamation shall come forth To-day.

The Counties, for the Defence of Portesmouth, and the Isle of Wight, that Care shall be taken for their being in a Readiness.

Lord Admiral will take care, that the Ships for Portesmouth shall be prepared; and that none but Men of Trust shall have Command.

Attainder of Earl of Straford.

The Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford is passed their House, as it passed this House, without any Amendments and Alteration.

Ordered, That a Message be sent unto the Lords, to desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Bill of Attainder of Tho. Earl of Strafford.

Mr. Hotham is to go up with this Message.

Mr. Pymme is to manage this Conference: The Substance whereof is, that, in regard the Peace of the Kingdom doth much consist upon the Execution of the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford, to desire their Lordships to move his Majesty, as speedily as may be, to give his Assent.

Mr. Hotham brings Answer, that the Lords will give a present Meeting, at a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, as is desired.

Mr. Pymm reports, that he had performed the Command of this House.

Ordered, That this House shall join with the Lords to attend his Majesty for desiring him to appoint a Time, when he will be pleased that both Houses shall attend him, concerning his giving his Assent unto the Bill of Attainder of Tho. Earl of Straford.

Mr. Pymme brings Word, that the Lords have sent to his Majesty; and this House shall hear from them very speedily.


A Message to be sent to the Lords, to desire a free Conference with their Lordships, concerning the Bill to prevent Inconveniencies that may happen by the Dissolution of this present Parliament; and concerning the Mariners.

Sir John Colpeper and Sir Henry Vane, to manage this Conference.

Cessation of Arms with Scotland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth hold it fit, that the Cessation of Arms between the Two Kingdoms continue for a Fortnight longer, from the Sixteenth of this Instant Month of May, upon the same Terms it was formerly agreed upon, in case the Treaty shall so long continue.


Sir Alexander Denton this Day made the Protestation.

Business to be done.

Ordered, That the House shall consider and treat of no Business whatsoever, but the Settling the Peace of the Kingdom, Providing of Monies, and proceed against Incendiaries and Delinquents, till those Businesses are brought to some Conclusion.

Return of a Prisoner.

Ordered, That the Marshal of the Prison in Dublyn shall have Liberty from this House, to carry with him, in safe Custody, to the said Prison, Patrick Allen, his Prisoner in Execution, who formerly, by Order from this House, was sent for hither, to be a Witness, in the Case of the Earl of Strafford; which Service to this House he hath now performed.

Pressing Mariners.

Mr. Glynn, Sir Henry Vane, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Hill, Mr. Schowen, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Mr. Cage, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir John Colpepper, Mr. Peirpoint, Mr. Vassall, Sir Alexander Denton, Sir Wm. Brereton, Mr. Catlyn, Sir Wm. Strickland, Mr. Whitaker, Sir Wm. Armyn, Mr. Upton, Sir Antho. Irby, Sir Henry Anderson, Sir Tho. Hutchinson, Mr. Carew, Sir Beauchampt St. John, Mr. Robert Goodwin, Sir Thomas Middleton;

This Committee to meet with a proportionable Committee of the Lords, for Drawing of an Order for the Pressing and Governing of Mariners.

This Committee to meet with a proportionable Committee of the Lords, for Drawing of an Order for the Pressing and Governing of Mariners.


Sir Hen. Vane is appointed to go up to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordships, that this House is ready to name a Committee, to join with a Committee of their Lordships, for the Preparing of an Order for the Pressing and Governing of Mariners, &c.; and to desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, so soon as it shall stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the great Affairs of the Kingdom.

King appoints to be attended.

A Message from the Lords, by J. Foster and J. Heath;

That the Lords appointed by their House attended his Majesty; who appointed, that both Houses should attend him at Four of Clock, in the Banqueting-house, concerning the Bill of Attainder.

Continuance of Parliament.

That they have passed the Bill concerning the not Dissolving of the Parliament, &c.


Sir Henry Vane brings Answer, that the Lords will give a present Meeting, by a Committee of both Houses, as is desired.

Mr. Hollis is to manage this Conference.

House to sit.

Ordered, That this House shall sit at Four of Clock.

Defence of the Kingdom.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to prepare Heads, &c. concerning the Safety of the Land; to consider what Proposition they shall think fit to be made, for giving Power to command and to compel Obedience, for the necessary Defence of the Kingdom.

Post Meridiem.

The Protestation.

NR. Rich. Whitehead, Mr. Gerrard Napier, Mr. Henry Garton, made the Protestation.


If it shall be necessary to set forth more ships, than are already designed, for the Defence of the Kingdom, it was declared, that the House intends, that the Charge of furnishing and setting them forth shall be borne and repaid out of the Bill of Tonage and Poundage; according to the former Order of the House in that Behalf.

Payment to Payler.

Sir Thomas Widdrington is appointed to go up with a Message to the Lords, on Monday Morning next; to acquaint them, that this House doth desire, that the Monies may be paid to Mr. Payler the Paymaster of Berwicke, which was promised by their Lordships, and secured by Order of this House to be repaid.

Disbanding Irish Army.

Mr. Treasurer reports the latter Part of the Conference Yesterday, concerning the Disbanding of the Irish Army.

To meet on Monday at Eight of Clock.