House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 20 July 1641

Pages 217-218

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 20 Julii, 1641.

Leave of Absence.

MR. Younge, Sir Thomas Danby, Mr. Mannaton, have Leave to go into the Country.

Apsley's Creditors.

The humble Petition of the Creditors of Sir Allen Apsley Knight was read; and laid aside, till the House entered into Consideration of the King's Revenue.

Punishment of James.

Sir Tho. Widdrington reports the Bill for Forfeiture of the Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, of John James; and for the further Punishment of the said John James &c. with the Additions and Amendments: The which Additions and Amendments were twice read; and opened by Mr. Speaker: And then the Bill, with the Additions and Amendments, was, upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Leave of Absence.

Mr. Lisle has Leave to go into the Country.


12 vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the free Bringing in of Gunpowder from foreign Parts; and for the free Making of it in this Realm.

Leave of Absence.

That no Man shall have Leave granted to go into the Country, till after Nine of Clock.

Sir J.Thynne, &c.

Upon the Question, whether the Question for committing the Business concerning Sir James Thynne, and his Brother Sir H. Fredericke Thynne, should be put;

The House was divided.

Lord Falkland, Tellers for the Yeas:
Mr. Hide,
Mr. Maynard, Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. Whitlocke,
With the Yeas, - - 95
With the Noes, - - 76

Sir John Colpepper, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Hide, Sir Arthur Ingram, Mr. Whitlocke, Mr. Knatchbull, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Cage, * *, Mr. Morley, * *, Serjeant Evers, Sir Walt. Erle, * Dutton, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Selden, Lord Cromwell, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Bodevile, Sir Arthur Haslerigge, Sir Guy Palmes, Mr. Whittaker, * Creswell, Serjeant Wilde, * Fitzwilliam.

This Committee is to examine the Business between Sir James Thynne and his Brother Sir Henry Fred....; and to report the State of it to the House: And are to meet To-morrow, at Two of the Clock, in the Exchequer-chamber.

Wales Court of Marches.

Sir Robert Harley carried up the Bill for exempting the Four Shires of Glouc', Worcester, Salop, and Hereford, from the Jurisdiction of the President and Council of the Marches of Wales.

Articles against Bishop Wrenn, &c.

That at the Conference, * * ordered to be had with the Lords this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, Sir Tho. Widdrington shall deliver the Articles against Bishop Wrenn; and the Charge against Inico Jones, upon the Complaint of the Parishioners of St. Gregorie's by Paule's.

Payment by Customers.

Ordered, That the Five Thousand Pounds, Residue of the Fifteen thousand Pounds, payable by the New Customers, shall be paid to Sir Wm. Uvedale.


Ordered, and Declared, That if any Person or Persons shall lend the Sum of One hundred Pounds, or any greater Sum, for the Uses and Services mentioned and declared in an Act, intituled, An Act for the speedy Provision of Monies for disbanding the Armies &c. before the Tenth of August now next ensuing, to such Persons, and in such Manner, as is specified in the said Act; shall do very good and acceptable Service to the Commonwealth; and shall be secured, out of the Monies to be paid by the said Act, for the Repayment of the said Monies, and for the Interest and Damages sustained by the Forbearance thereof, in the same Manner as in the said Act is expressed.

Payment by Customers.

Ordered, That Sir John Harrison, and the rest of the old Customers, shall pay in Eighteen thousand Six hundred Pounds, Part of the Fifty thousand Pounds in Arrear, with all convenient Speed, to Sir Wm. Uvedale.

Proceedings against Dawes.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Customers, to take into Consideration the Information, this Day given unto this House, of a great Neglect and Contempt of Sir Thomas Dawes, in not performing... with this House, in the Payment of his Proportion of such Monies, as, by Agreement with the House, he ought to have paid; and to prepare a Bill against the said Sir Thomas Dawes, upon the whole Matter of his Delinquency, in such manner as they shall think fit: And they have Power to send for all such Persons, Conveyances, and other Writings, as they shall think fit.

A Message from the Lords;

Conference on Message from the King.

The Lords desire a present Conference by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning a Message their Lordships have received from his Majesty.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

This House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Sir Thomas Barrington, Mr. Capell, Sir John Colpepper, Sir Wm. Brereton, Lord Falkland, Sir John Holland, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Members going out in Disorder.

Ordered, That all those, that are gone out in this Disorder, shall pay Two Shillings apiece to the Poor: And Mr. Perd is to receive the Monies.

That Mr. Perd, Mr. Hide, Mr. Morley, and Lord Dungarvon, shall go up to the Painted Chamber to take the Names of such as went out to the Painted Chamber, and would not come in, upon the Summons of this House.

Crew's, &c. Loan.

Mr. Crew did acquaint the House, that whereas the One thousand Pounds, formerly lent by Sir Christopher Hatton, and himself, was now to be paid in; yet were willing to continue the Loan of it for Six Months longer.

Inlisting in French Service.

Sir John Colpepper reports the Conference had this Day with the Lords:

That the French Ambassador waited upon his Majesty, to desire, that, upon the Disbanding of the English Army, he might have Liberty to carry such Men over, for that King's Service, as he can agree with. His Majesty will give no Answer, till he had acquainted the Parliament with it. The Lords will take it into Debate; and desire, that this House would do the like.

Levying Soldiers in Ireland.

That the Committee for the Ten Propositions do meet this Afternoon, at Two of Clock, to consider particularly of that Proposition concerning the Levying of Soldiers in Ireland.

Inlisting in French Service.

That the Message sent from his Majesty, and delivered to this House at a Conference of both Houses by a Committee, concerning the French Ambassador's having Liberty, upon the Disbanding of the Army, to transport into France, be taken into Consideration on Thursday Morning next.

Message to Lords.

Sir Hen. Vane is to go up to the Lords with this Message;

To desire their Lordships to appoint a Time for the Committees for the Ten Propositions.

Earl of Bedford's Estate.

Mr. Upton reports the Earl of Bedford his Bill fit to pass, without any Amendment.

King's Revenue.

Ordered, That the House shall be resolved into a Committee, To-morrow Morning at Nine of Clock, to consider of his Majesty's Revenue: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order; and to interrupt any other Business, at that time.

Aston's Accompts, &c.

Ordered, That the Petition of Sir Thomas Aston be referred to the Committee for the Customers: And that it be referred to the same Committee to examine and consider of his Accompts.

It is likewise Ordered, That the Petition from divers Merchants and Citizens of Chester be referred to the Consideration of the same Committee.

Sir Thomas Aston is to be brought hither to this Bar To-morrow Morning.

Billet - money.

3a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for securing the Billet-money, due to the Northern Counties for Billeting the Soldiers &c.: Upon Question, passed; and sent up to the Lords by Mr. Bellassis.

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Words "as shall appear due by a Certificate, to be taken upon the Disbanding."...

Charge against Bp. of Ely, &c.

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Words, in the Title of the Charge against the Bishop of Ely, viz. "when he was Bishop of Norwich," shall be struck out of the said Title.

Sir Thomas Widrington received the Charge against the Bishop of Elye, and Inico Jones, and the Votes of the House, concerning the Bishop of Eley, to deliver them to the Lords at a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses.


That Mr. Glyn shall make the Report concerning the Vintners To-morrow Morning at Eight of Clock.


Ordered, That the Lord General shall be moved to deduct so much out of the Pay due to the Soldiers of the King's Army, as shall be undertaken to be satisfied to the Billeter, by an Act of Parliament, intituled, An Act for securing the Monies as are or shall be due to the Inhabitants of the several Counties, wherein his Majesty's Army is or hath been billeted, for the Billet of the Soldiers of the said Army.

Answer from Lords.

Sir H. Vane reports, that the Lords gave this Answer to the Message; That the standing Committee of the Lords House will give a Meeting to the standing Committee of this House, concerning the Ten Propositions; and at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Members fined.

Ordered, That such Members of the House as were reported this Day, by Mr. Perd, not to have paid their Monies according to the former Order, this Day also made, shall pay double the Sum, if they pay not the same by To-morrow Morning.