House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 10 August 1641

Pages 249-250

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 10 Aug. 1641.


King's Counsellors.

MOVED, That when these Two Bills, of the Treaty, and concerning the Commissioners, shall be dispatched, that the House would enter into the Consideration of the Counsellors about the King.

Royal Assent.

2da vice lecta est Billa, An Act authorizing certain Commissioners, named by his Majesty, to give his Majesty's Royal Assent unto certain Bills mentioned in the said Commission, and in this Act; and, upon Question, committed.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Glanvile and Sir Rob. Rich;

The Lords sent us * * * *, that they sent a Message unto you last Night (but the House was risen before the Messengers came) to acquaint you, that they had sent some Lords to move his Majesty for a former Stay.

His Majesty was contented to stay so much of the Day as he could, with any Colour of Convenience: But his Journey was laid; and he was to go to Stamford.

That they had read the Bill Three times, for securing the Brotherly Assistance; and had passed it.

To use what Expedition they can, in passing the Bill of the Treaty; and the latter Bill, concerning the Commission: And, that there might be no Stop in the latter, they have sent down the Commission, to peruse it.

The Commission.

Bill for the Commission, and the Commission itself, committed unto.. Glyn, ..Pimme, ..H. Hayman, .. Rolles, .. Martin, .. Hampden, ..Barrington, .. Peard, ..Selden, .. Harley: And are to meet upon it presently, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Treaty with Scotland.

3a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Confirmation of the Treaty of Pacification between the Two Kingdoms of England and Scotland; and, upon Question, passed.

Leave of Absence.

Lord Mansfield has Leave to go into the Country.

Arrears due to Scotland.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor, and the other Commissioners, shall forthwith pay unto the Earl of Warwick so much Money, out of the Monies received by them, as will make up that Sum, which he is appointed to receive and pay out, towards the Satisfying of the Brotherly Assistance.

The Commission.

Mr. Glyn reports from the Committee appointed to consider of the Act concerning Commissioners and the Commission, the Additions to the Bill and Commission; the which Editions were twice read; and, upon Question, assented.

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The Reasons of these Additions and Alterations were put to the Question.

That we find not any Precedent, that a Parliament was ever sitting * * * *.

Mr. Fines to go up to the Lords, to desire a free Conference, concerning the Bill for the Commission; to present the Bill for Confirmation of the Treaty; and to desire the * * * *

Commrs to Scotland.

Mr. Pimme to prepare a Declaration, upon the Grounds and Reasons presented to the House Yesterday; and to present it to the House.

To name some Members of this House to be Commissioners, to be sent into Scotland: And to send up a Message to the Lords, that, if they shall please, to send likewise some of their own Members; if not, to join with this House, in authorizing such Commissioners: And to move his Majesty, that he will be pleased to issue forth such a Commission.

Conference, &c.

Mr. Fines brings Answer, that he had presented the Bill concerning the Treaty: And that the Lords will give a Meeting, at a free Conference, as is desired: And will move his Majesty, to give his Majesty's Royal Assent to the Bill concerning Gunpowder.

Mr. Glyn, Mr. Peard, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Reynolds, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

King's Journey.

Mr. Nath. Fines is appointed to go up to the Lords, to desire their Lordships to move his Majesty, that he will be pleased to stay his Journey, till the Act for the Commission can be expedited.

Commission in King's Absence.

That a Message * * * * to move the Lords, that they would join with this House in petitioning his Majesty, before his going, that he would please to give a Warrant or Warrants, for One Commission or more, to such Persons as shall be nominated by both Houses, or either of them, authorizing them to see, and take care, that the Acts that concern this Kingdom be perfected in the Parliament of Scotland; and from time to time to give his Majesty a true Understanding of the Proceedings of the Parliament here.

Resolved, upon the Question, That some Commissioners shall be sent into Scotland, for the Purposes in the Order above-mentioned.

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Commissioners shall be only Four.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Fines brings Answer, that the Lords will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Tonage and Poundage.

Ordered, That the Committee of the whole House shall sit upon the Bill of Tonage and Poundage this Afternoon, at Three of Clock: And Mr. Speaker is to be here.

Message to attend the King.

The Gentleman Usher acquainted this House, that his Majesty was in the House of the Peers; and expected the House of Commons to attend him there.

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Defence of the Kingdom.

To consider of a Way of putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence.

Settling the Government.

To settle some Order of Government, both in Church and Commonwealth.

House to sit.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Sir Edw. Leech;

The Lords intend to sit this Afternoon at Five of Clock; and desire this House would do the like, if it may stand with their Conveniency.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; that this House is resolved to sit this Afternoon.

Tonage and Poundage.

Moved, To pass the Bill of Tonage and Poundage: And to send to his Majesty for a particular Warrant, for a Commission to pass the said Bill.

post Meridiem

Leave of Absence.

SIR Walth. Erle has Leave to go into the Country for Recovery of his Health.

Arms, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill of Arms and trained Bands sit To-morrow post meridiem, in the usual Place.

Foreign Bullion.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the like Order that was made by the Lords, Veneris, 6to Aug. concerning the Stay or Seizure of any foreign Bullion, imported or to be imported into this Kingdom; viz.

"Ordered, That it be publickly declared unto all Men, that it is not the Intention of this House, either to stay or seize any foreign Bullion or Coin, imported or to be imported into this Kingdom; but that all Liberty shall be as fully used now, as in any former Times whatsoever."

And of this Declaration and Order, it is the Pleasure of the said House of Commons, that general Notice be taken by all Men.

Tonage and Poundage.

According to an Order made in the Forenoon, the House was resolved into a Committee.

And the Committee proceeded to Consideration of the Bill of Tonage and Poundage.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair: And

Mr. Serjeant Wilde was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker res.. * *

Mr. Serjeant Wilde reports from the Committee, the Bill for Tonage and Poundage, with the Amendments: The which Amendments were twice read: And then the Bill, with the Amendments, was, upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Grant to Queen Mother.

Ordered, That these Sums following shall be paid, upon the Days following; viz. Two thousand Pounds upon the First of October; Two thousand Pounds upon the First of November; Two thousand Pounds upon the First of December; One hundred Pounds upon the First of January; in Antwerp, or such other Place beyond the Sea, as the Queen Mother shall appoint; upon Four Bills of Exchange, upon the several Dates aforesaid, to the use of the Queen Mother: And the Queen Mother is to have the Profit of the Exchange. And it is Ordered, That Sir John Nulls, who undertakes the Payment of these several Sums, upon the Days aforesaid, shall be repaid, out of the Monies that come in to the Chamber of London by virtue of the Bill for Poll-money, within Seven Days after the several Acquittances produced: And it is further Ordered, That these several Bills shall be put into the Hands of the Earl Marshal; and not delivered over to the Queen Mother's Use, till she lands: And in case the Queen Mother shall die before any of the said Sums shall, at the Days aforesaid, happen to grow due; then the said Sum or Sums shall be detained in the Hands of the said Sir John Nulls; and he to be accountable to this House for them. It is likewise Ordered, That the Acquittances may be signed by her Majesty the Queen Mother, or by her Assignee, who shall be, under her Hand, authorized to receive the same: And the Queen Mother to pay the Factors there.

Disbanding the Army, &c.

Sir Edw. Hungerford is appointed to go up to the Lords, to desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Disbanding of the Armies.

At this Conference, the Lords are to be moved to appoint the English Commissioners to move the Scotts Commissioners, that, in respect they have accepted the Remanent of their Money here, and that the Residue is gone down, which will come, this House hopes, speedily to Newcastle, that the Commissioners may acquaint their General of the Receipt; and that the Peace is concluded; and that they may prepare to march away: And also to move, that my Lord General may be sent to, that the King's Army may also be disbanded, with all Speed; the Foot after the Horse.

Sir Jo. Colepeper, Sir Edw. Hungerford, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Sir Rob. Harley, Mr. Crue, Sir Wm. Armyn, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Tonage and Poundage.

3a vice lecta est Billa, A Subsidy granted to the King, of Tonage, Poundage, and other Sums of Money, payable upon Merchandize exported and imported: Upon Question passed.

Mr. Solicitor was sent up with it to the Lords; and to desire, that this Bill may pass by special Commission; and that it may be so contrived, that the Bill may pass before the King is gone out of the Kingdom.

Disbanding the Army, &c.

Sir Jo. Colepeper brings Answer, that the Lords do concur with this House, in both the Propositions: That they had given Order to the Lords Commissioners of England, to move the Scotts Commissioners to acquaint their General, as is desired: And do likewise desire, that this House would write a Letter to my Lord General; and that they may see it; and they will send the like.

Sir Jo. Colepeper, Mr. Crue, Sir T. Widdrington are appointed to draw a Letter to be sent to the Lord General for the speedy Disbanding of the Foot, after the Horse; and are to present it to the House, To-morrow Morning.

Navy Supply.

Ordered, That some Members of the House may confer with the Officers of the Navy, and know what Sums of Money are requisite and necessary for the Uses of the Navy: And to send to the Lords Commissioners for the Treasury, that Assignations may be made for those Monies.