House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 21 October 1641

Pages 291-292

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, 21 Oct 1641.


Privilege-Scandalous Words.

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JOHN Smith,Wm. Tenant * * * *

Tho. Bough was brought in, as a Delinquent: And there Mr. Speaker opened before him the Charge that was laid against him; and repeated the Words that were attested by several Witnesses to be spoken by him against the Orders and Honour of this House: The which he denied: And, after he had..... heard,

Ordered, That Tho. Bough shall stand committed, in the Serjeant's Custody; and shall have Liberty, for Two or Three Days, to produce Witnesses, if he have any, to be examined before a Committee appointed for that Purpose.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to sit during the Recess shall have Power to take the Examinations as shall be produced by Tho. Bough.

Safety of the Kingdom.

Sir Gilbert Gerard is to go up to the Lords, to desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, so soon as shall stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the publick Safety of the Kingdom.

Sir Gilbert Gerard brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, by a Committee of the whole House, as is desired.

Ordered, That another Head of this Conference shall be, To move, that an express Messenger be sent to the Committees of both Houses in Scotland, to let them know, that the Parliament takes well their Advertisement; and that they conceive, the Peace of that Kingdom concerns the Good of this Kingdom: And that, if there be any Tumult to oppose the Acts confirmed by both Kingdoms, and that his Majesty will command any Assistance, to suppress them, that both Houses will be ready to maintain his Majesty, in his Greatness; and to suppress those that are Disturbers of the Peace.

Emanuell College, Cambridge.

Ordered, That, in regard there is a Bill depending here, for the Reformation of some Abuses in Emanuell College in Cambridge, that That College shall, for the present, forbear to proceed to the Admission of Tho. Hodges to be a Fellow there, till the Cause shall be heard; and this to be without Prejudice to either Party.

And it is likewise farther Ordered, That the Consideration of this Cause be referred to the Committee appointed for that Bill.

Clergy's Temporal Jurisdiction.

12 vice lecta est Billa, An Act for disenabling all Per sons in Holy Orders to exercise any Regal Jurisdiction or Authority.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this Bill shall be now read the Second time.

2da vice lecta est Billa prædicta; and, upon Question, committed to a Committee of the whole House: And are to meet upon it Tomorrow at Ten of Clock.


A Message from the Lords, by Justice Heath and J. Mallett;

The Lords have taken into Consideration the Heads of the last Conference; and they agree in all Things: And, for the better Expediting of the things to be sent to the King, and the Committees in Scotland, they have appointed a Committee of Six; and desire, that this House would appoint a proportionable Number of this House: And that they would meet, upon a Conference, this Afternoon, at Three of Clock.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and have resolved to appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number, that shall give a Meeting, as is desired.

Ordered, That the Committee, Yesterday appointed, to prepare the Heads for the Conference, shall meet with the Committee of the Lords, this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, in the Painted Chamber; with the Addition of Mr. Hollis, Mr. Waller, and Sir H. Vane.

Complaints against Sir J. Conyers, & c.

Mr. Pym reports the Heads and Effect of the Complaints of the Troopers, preferred by them, in many several Petitions, to the Committee that sat during the Recess.

The First was, a Petition, delivered by certain Troopers of Sir Jo. Conyers' Troop, against Sir Jo. Conyers himself, a noble and worthy Person, Lieutenant General of the Horse, and Governor of Barwicke; for the Matters of Account concerning his Regiment: It will concern his Lieutenant, for Sir John Conyers was seldom with his Troop; but was for the most part at Barwicke.

The First Complaint was, touching an Abatement of Two-pence per diem out of every Man's Pay, for their Arms, from 1° Maii 1640, to 4° Sept. 1641; which was, that they should deliver their Arms at the Disbanding, and then the Two-pence a Day, received, should be then repaid unto them: But, upon Examination, it appeared, that the Two-pence per diem was taken only till 10° Feb. for, in that time, the Value of their Arms was deducted: But it appeared, that this was done by Direction from his Majesty, and Contract between the King and Commander.

Next Complaint against Sir Jo. Conyers is, concerning a Deduction of Ten Pounds, to be paid to the Foot: But Sir Jo. Conyers knows nothing of this, but leaves it to his Lieutenant to give an Account of it: But he conceives, it was rather a Deduction for Powder, to exercise withal; for it is usual, when the Foot exercises, the King bears the Charge: Otherwise for the Horse.

Next is, that there was taken out of their Pay Eleven Shillings apiece, for their Scarfs; which, Sir Jo. Conyers saith, is ever usual, unless, by particular Agreement at their Entertainment, they are to have them given to them: But it was informed, that, in the Low Countries, it is usual to deduct out of their Pay, for their Scarfs.

Next is, that they had Five Pounds apiece deducted out of their Pay, for their Horses: And this is a general Case, for all the other Troops: The King entereth into a Contract with several Commanders, that they should buy Horses of such a Price, and so maintain them from Time to Time: Now it is usual, where the Soldier bringeth in their own Horse, to have him again: But where they are not, at their Entertainment by Agreement, to have their Horses, they ought not to have them: Therefore, at the Time of disbanding, my Lord General made this Order, that the Commanders should let every Troop have their Horses, upon these Deductions, viz. Four Pounds for every Carbine, Five Pounds for every Cuirassier, and Six Pounds for every Horse, in Mr. Peircie's Troop; because his Horses were better than the rest.

There.. about Thirty several Petitions, against other Commanders; and some of them contain other Matter of Complaints: But your Resolution in this will decide most of the rest.

Ordered, That Mr.Pym shall be desired to draw out the particular Heads of all the Complaints of the Troopers, expressed in several Petitions, preferred by them to the Committee appointed to sit during the Recess: And likewise shall have Power to receive such Petitions as shall be now offered by any of them: And to present these Heads to the House, with what Conveniency he can.