House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 03 November 1641

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 3 Nov. 1641.



THE humble Petition of Tho. Overman, and divers others, Soap-makers of London, was this Day read: And the House came to no Resolution upon it.

Persons to attend.

Ordered, That Captain Moore be forthwith summoned to attend this House, to answer such Matters as shall be objected: And Lieutenant Hatcher is desired to attend at the same time.

Gatton Election.

Mr. Maynard reports the Case of Gatton in Surry:

1. For Mr. Owfeild, his Election to serve for that Place, is settled: The Difference resteth between Mr. Sandys and Mr. Sanders, who are returned by Two Indentures: Mr. Sanders had for him Fourteen Voices; Mr. Sandys hath Eight Voices: But, of the Fourteen Voices for Mr. Sanders, Eight of them are Dwellers out of the Town; and One of them a Minister; yet all of them have Freeholds in the Town: And, of Mr. Sandys Eight Voices, One of them was a Recusant convict; and another the Clerk of the Parish, who received yearly Wages from the Parish: And then, if these Two should be declared to have no Voices, their Voices are equal, So the Question in Debate was, whether the Election belonged to the Burgesses by common Right: or that the Freeholders, dwelling out of Town, who had Freeholds in the Town, ought to have Voices, by virtue of a particular Prescription.

The Committee were of Opinion, that there was a Prescription in this Case, which was good against a Common Right.

It appears by a Record, 33° H. VIII. that a Return was made by One Inhabitant; and 1° E. VI, and 6° E. VI, Returns made by the Inhabitants and Burgesses.

But 18° Jac. a Precedent was shewn, on the Behalf of the Freeholders. And, for the Parson of the Parish, whether he shall have a Voice that cannot sit here if he were chosen. And next, whether by the Law a Recusant convict ought to have a Voice. And, 3. To receive the Judgment of the House, whether one that receives Alms of the Parish, shall have a Voice; and then, whether the Clerk of the Parish, who receives Fifty Shillings per Annum, of the Parish, is one that lives of the Alms of the Parish:-These were Doubts offered to the Committee in the Debate of this Election.

Resolved, upon the Question, That there is no sufficient Proof of a Prescription against the Common Right, within the Borough of Gatton in Com. Surr.

Resolved, upon the Question, That How, the Parish Clerk of the Borough of Gatton, does not appear, upon the Evidence given to this House, to be an Almsman.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Sanders' Election for the Borough of Gatton is not good.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Sands' Election for the Borough of Gatton is good.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Sands is well elected, and ought to sit as a Member of this House, upon the Election for the Borough of Gatton.

Loan from the City.

Mr. Pierrepoint reports the Answer the Committee received from the City, to the Proposition of lending Fifty thousand Pounds:

"That, according to the Commands of the House, several of the Committee went to the Lord Mayor and Common-council of London; and delivered the Commands of this House, how well this House took their former Lending of Money.-The Answer given us by Mr. Recorder, was; 1. That there were several Grievances they suffered under; as, 1. under the Protections which are granted; which did not only hinder the Lending of Money, but did stop Trade.-To That Sir Hen. Vaine did give them Satisfaction, both of the Order lately made against Mr. Benson for Granting of Protections; and that this House hath committed to the Care of a Committee, to draw a Bill to prevent the Inconveniencies that happen thereby.-Next, Mr. Recorder propounded, that Fifty thousand Pounds, heretofore lent to the Peerage of this Realm, for the publick Affairs, is not yet paid. Next, the Common-council did find themselves and the whole City aggrieved, by a Disrespect shewn to the Lord Mayor, and the Magistrates of London, by divers People, who refuse to give any Obedience to any Warrant to appear before the Lord Mayor, declaring they will not come; and particularly in the Case of providing Monies. And for their Loans of Money, they will take into Consideration, and give an Answer this Day: But the Security for the same, is expected to be by Act of Parliament.

Iron Manufactures.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Forest of Deane, to consider of the Restraining the Importation of foreign Manufactures of Iron, that may be made here in the Kingdom; and to consider of the Patent for the making of Ordnance; and to consider how Mr. Browne may be supported in the Making of Ordnance; and to consider the whole Matter of Making of Ordnance: and Mr. Browne, his Majesty's Founder of Ordnance, is ordered to be referred to the Consideration of this Committee: And this Committee is revived, to sit To-morrow at Four of Clock, in the Exchequer-court.


Ordered, That the Committee concerning the Navy be revived; to meet this Afternoon, at Four of Clock, in the usual Place; and do call the Customers unto them, to know the Reason why no more Money comes into the Receipt of the Navy.

Examination of Oconnally.

Mr. Pym presents the Examination of Owen Oconnally upon Oath, concerning the Rebellion in Ireland: Which was read: And then he gives Account of such foreign Intelligences that came to the Committee, that might have any Relation to the Affairs of Ireland.

Irish Affairs.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde reports the Propositions agreed by the Committees for the Affairs in Ireland:

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds fit, that Twenty thousand Pounds shall be forthwith supplied for the present Occasions of Ireland, out of the Monies that are now in ready Cash, or shall first come in.

Ordered, That Alderman Penington, Mr. Spurstoe, and Mr. Venn, do forthwith go to the Chamber of London, and to the Commissioners for the Poll-money, to desire that the Creditors, that by former Orders were appointed to receive any Sums of Money, forbear the Receipt of their Monies, for a Time, in regard of the present Necessities.

Ordered, That such Members of the House, as have continued their Monies formerly lent, shall be paid out of the first Monies that shall come in upon the Subsidies, after the Monies shall be satisfied which are consigned upon those Subsidies.

Ordered, That the Eleven thousand Pounds in ready Cash, in the Chamber of London, shall be forthwith paid over to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for the present Occasions of that Kingdom: And that the Commissioners and Treasurers appointed in the Act, grant forth their Warrants and Orders accordingly.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a convenient Number of Ships shall be provided, for the Guarding of the Sea Coasts of Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that Six thousand Foot, and Two thousand Horse, shall be raised with all convenient Speed, for the present Expedition into Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That such Officers shall be forthwith sent over into Ireland, for the Commanding of Men there, as shall be thought fit by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, with the Approbation of both Houses of Parliament.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Magazine of Victuals shall be forthwith provided at West Chester, to be sent over to Dublin, as the Occasions of that Kingdom shall require.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Magazine of Arms, Ammunition, and Powder, now at Carlell, shall be forthwith sent over to Knockfergus in Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That, in Carllell, Bristoll, and West Chester, Magazines of Arms, Ammunition, Powder, and Victuals, shall be provided, to be transported into the most convenient Ports of Ireland, as the Occasions of that Kingdom shall require.

Magazine at Hull.

Resolved, upon the Question, That all the Arms, Ammunition, and Powder in the Magazine at Hull, except such a Proportion of Powder, Bullet and Match, as shall be thought fit to be left there to be sold for Supply of the Northern Counties, as Occasion shall require, be transported to the Tower of London.

Persons resorting to the Tower.

One Rich. Burch, One of the Wardours of the Tower, informs this House, that there is a very great Confluence of People that resort to F. Philips in the Tower.

Ordered, That Sir Gilbert Gerard, Sir John Francklyn, Sir Tho. Barrington, and Mr. Law. Whittacre, do forthwith repair to the Tower, to examine all such Strangers as they shall find there, of their Dwelling, and Business there; and to tender them the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy : And the Wardours are hereby required, to suffer none to come out of the Tower, till these Gentlemen are come forth again.

Irish Affairs.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a convenient Number of Engineers and Gunners shall be sent over into Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Post shall be set up between Beaumaris and Holyhead.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it be referred to the King's Counsel, to consider of some fit Way, and to present it to the House, for a Publication to be made, of Rewards to be given to such as shall do Service in this Expedition into Ireland; and for a Pardon of such of the Rebels in Ireland as shall come in by a time limited; and of a Sum of Money to be appointed, for a Reward, to such as shall bring in the Heads of such principal Rebels as shall be nominated.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Letters shall be forthwith sent to the Justices in Ireland, to acquaint them how sensible this House is of the Affairs in Ireland; and what Care they have taken for the Occasions of Ireland.

Father Phillips.

Mr. Goodwyn is appointed to go up to the Lords with this Message;

To acquaint their Lordships, that this House understands that F. Phillips is committed; and to thank them for the Care they have expressed of the Honour of our Religion; and to desire, that he may not be released, before this House be first acquainted therewith; and to desire, that none may be permitted to speak with him, but in the Presence of some of the Officers.

Searching Trunks, &c.

Ordered, That the Officers and Customers of the several Ports of this Kingdom towards Ireland, do make diligent Search in all Trunks, and other Carriages, that come to be transported from England to Ireland, especially that belonging to any Papist or suspected Person.

And further Ordered, That those Trunks that were lately sent by Exeter Carrier, shall be stayed and searched.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That this shall be One Head of the Conference; To desire the Lords, that there may be a special Commission, directed to Persons to be nominated in Parliament, for Examining of all such Persons as they shall think fit for the Discovery of the Correspondency between any Papists or others of this Kingdom, with the Rebels in Ireland; and that One Clause of the Letter to the Justices in Ireland may be, to desire, that they would send a List of the Names of such English Papists of Quality, as are come over into England, within this Year last past.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs of this House shall propound to the Committee of the Lords, to prepare Heads to be considered of, how, and in what manner, this Kingdom shall make use of the Friendship and Assistance of Scotland, in this Business of Ireland.

F. Philips.

Mr. Goodwyn brings Answer, that F. Philips shall not be released until this House be first acquainted there-with; and that none shall speak with him but in the Presence of a Keeper.

Volunteers for Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that a Drum shall be forthwith beaten, for the Calling in of Voluntiers to this Service for Ireland:

Pressing Soldiers for Ireland.

That Directions be given for the Drawing of a Bill, for the Pressing of Men for this particular Service for Ireland: And Mr. Serjeant Wilde is desired to prepare a Bill to that Purpose.