House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 09 November 1641

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 9 Nov. 1641.


Perkins' Petition.

THE humble Petition of Richard Perkins was this Day read.

Officers for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Committee of this House for Irish Affairs, do propound to the Committee of the Lords House, that no Commanders and Officers shall be employed out of this Kingdom, for the Service in Ireland, but such as shall voluntarily take the Protestation, made and taken by both Houses.

Proceedings against Steward.

Sir Ro. Pye reports the Examination of Elizabeth Hardinge, against Robert Steward; Which being read,

It was Ordered, That it be recommended to the Judges of the King's Bench, to proceed according to the Law against Robert Steward, a Scocheman, upon the Examinations of Mary Barker and Elizabeth Hardinge, and Mr. Peard is desired to go from this House, with this Order, to the Judges.


Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do write Letters to the Sheriffs of every County in England and Wales, forthwith to return to this House Certificates of the Poll-money, received in their several Counties; and to require the Commissioners of every County to deliver them the several Estreats and Accounts, in every County; and to return the same to this House: And the Committee is to prepare the Form of a Letter, and to present the same to the House.

Raising Soldiers for Ireland.

The Earl of Leicester did propound to the Parliament, that he doubted he could not securely raise Men, by beating the Drum, for the Defence of Ireland, in the Time of this great Rebellion, without a particular Warrant under the great Seal: The House did take notice of this Doubt, and did, notwithstanding, resolve, and hold it fit, that he should proceed to raise Men for this Service by virtue of the Ordinance of Parliament.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it shall be thus ordered and entered.

Desiring Lords to sit.

Lord Cramborne is appointed to go up to the Lords with this Message;

To acquaint their Lordships, that this House intends to sit this Afternoon; and to desire their Lordships would do the like.

Tendering Oaths.

Mr. Valentine and Mr. Wheeler are appointed to go to the Lord Keeper, to move his Lordship, that he would grant a Commission to the Benchers of the Inns of Court, to enable them to tender the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy to the Irish Students, and others suspected, within their several Houses, and Inns of Chancery.

Lords to sit.

Lord Cramborne brings Answer that their Lordships will sit this Afternoon, as is desired.

Loan from the City.

Ordered, That the Lords shall be moved, at the next Conference, that an Ordinance of Parliament may pass, to engage the Honour, Credit, and Authority of both Houses of Parliament, for the Securing and Repaying to the City the Fifty thousand Pounds, with Interest, desired to be borrowed of them for the Occasions of Ireland: And that a provisional Act shall pass, with all Speed, for Repayment of the said Sum, with Interest, within Six Months.

Instructions to Committees in Scotland.

The Instructions, Yesterday agreed upon, to be sent to the Committees in Scotland, was now read: And it was then

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Conference shall be desired with the Lords, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Instructions to be sent to the Committees in Scotland.

The Lord Gray was appointed to go up with a Message to this Purpose to the Lords.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Strode, Sir John Hotham, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Supply to Ireland.

Ordered, That the Treasurers, for the Subsidy-money do pay Eleven thousand Pounds to the Lord Lieutenant General of Ireland, for the Affairs in Ireland, notwithstanding the Direction of the Act. And it is further Ordered, That they shall be repaid the said Sum out of the Fifty thousand Pounds that is to be advanced by the City of London, so soon as the same Money comes in.


The Lord Gray brings this Answer from the Lords; That they will give a Meeting, by a Committee of their House, at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Painted Chamber.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Lord Wilmott, Sir Jo. Conyers, Sir Jacob Ashley, Sir Simo. Haircourt, Colonel Wm. Vavasour, Colonel Glemon, Sir Jo. Heydon, Captain Skippon, Colonel Huncks, Lieutenant Colonel Ballard, shall, as a Council of War, prepare and consider of such Things as shall be recommended unto them from the Parliament, or from the Committee of both Houses, concerning the Affairs in Ireland: And that they may propound to the Parliament, or the said Committees, such Things as may conduce to the Service for Ireland.


Sir Tho. Hutchinson, Sir Jo. Colpeper, Sir Hen. Hayman, Mr. Cary, Mr. Martin, Sir Edw. Deering, Mr. Whitehead, Mr. Sutton, Sir Sidney Montague: there are added to the Committee for the Poll-money.

Spacio for Ireland.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Rolls, Mr. Soames, Mr. Mathew, Mr. Spurstow, Mr. Pond, Mr. Jenner, Sir Jo. Clatworthy, Lord Dungarven, Sir Rob. Parkehust, Sir Walt. Earle, Captain Price, Mr. Wallopp, Sir Hen. Vaine, Sir Jo. Colpeper, Sir Ro. Harley, Sir Rich. Cave, Lord Falkland, Sir Rob. Pye, Sir Ralph Hopton;

This Committee is to take into Consideration the Proposition of the Merchants, to have Liberty to transport Spanish Money into Ireland in Specie, or any other foreign Coin, to be uttered there; and to report their Opinions to this House: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Proceedings against Stewart.

Ordered, That the Serjeant attending on this House shall forthwith deliver Mr. Robert Stewart, his Prisoner by an Order of this House, to the Custody of the Marshal of the King's Bench, to be proceeded against according to Law.

Counsel in the Lords.

Mr. Palmer, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Glyn, have Leave to be of Council before the Lords, in a Cause there depending between Dr. Duck and Dr. Merrick.

Loan for Ireland.

Whereas certain Merchants do undertake presently to transport to Dublin Twenty Thousand Pounds by Bill of Exchange: It is this Day Ordered, by the House of Commons, That they shall receive Five thousand Pounds thereof presently, out of the Eleven thousand Pounds in ready Cash in the Chamber of London, and ordered to be paid to the Lord Lieutenant; Ten thousand Pounds out of the first Monies that shall come in upon Loan; and Five thousand Pounds within Two Months.

Irish Affairs.

An Ordinance of Parliament, for preventing the Passage of Irish Natives or Inhabitants into Ireland; and for giving Authority to the Lord Lieutenant, to certify, to the Lords Justices of Ireland, the Names and Reasons of Persons suspected; and to authorize them to proceed to the Examination of them, &c. was read; and, with some Additions, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be delivered to the Lords at the next Conference.

State of the Kingdom.

The Declaration of the State of the Kingdom was read: And moved, that a Consideration of these Particulars might be added:

J. C.- The last Expedition into Germány.

The Loans upon Privy Seal.

The Commission of Excise.

Pal.- The additional Explanation to the Petition of Right.

Strode- The Declaration set forth upon the Breach of both Parliaments.

Wingate.- The Proclamation set forth, forbidding People so much as to talk of a Parliament.

J. C.- Gunpowder Monopoly, as it was a Project for the Disarming of the Kingdom.

Wilde.- The Destruction of Timber, especially in the Forest of Deane, by Recusants.

J. C.- The Entitling the King to the Lands between the Highwater and Lowwater mark.

Whittlock.- The Abuses of Purveyors and Salt-petre Men.

Cromwell.- The Commission of Sewers to be farther explained.

Smyth.- The Court of Wards.

The Jurisdiction of the Council of the Marches.

The Council Table, as they take Cognizance of Me and Te.

The Buying and Selling of Honours and Dignities.

Ordered, That the Declaration shall be resumed, to be considered of, To-morrow at Ten of Clock.


Mr. Strode is appointed to go up to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordships, that this House will be ready to meet the Lords, upon the Conference desired by this House; and likewise to hear what shall be propounded by their Lordships, upon the Conference desired of their part.

Stewart's Trunks.

Whereas the Trunks of Mr. Robert Stewart are sealed up, by Order of this House: It is now Ordered, That his Trunks shall be opened, in the Presence of the Serjeant; and that he shall have Liberty to take out any thing for his Use, except Papers.

Prisoner to be heard.

Ordered, That Wm. Fuller Doctor in Divinity, now a Prisoner in the Serjeant's Custody, shall be heard, to give his Answer to the Charge against him, To-morrow at Ten of Clock: And the Serjeant at Arms is to bring him hither at that time.


Mr. Strode brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, both to the Conference desired by this House, and likewise concerning the Matter of the Conference desired of their Lordships Part Yesterday.

Stay of Letters from France,&c.

That a Message be sent to the Lords, to desire their Lordships to make stay of the Letters from France and Antwerpe; and to peruse them in the Presence of some Committees of this House.

Inns of Court, &c.

Mr. Wheeler acquaints the House, that he and another Member of this House have repaired to the Lord Keeper, and have moved him for the Issuing of Commissions to the Benchers of the several Inns of Court, &c: And that he will most willingly do it.

Order of 9° Sept.

Ordered, That, on Saturday Morning, at Ten of Clock, the House shall take into Consideration the Contemners of the Order of 9° Sept' and what Course is fit to be taken with them: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order.

Stay of Letters from France, &c.

Mr. Pimme acquaints the House that he had delivered the Commands of this House, concerning the Letters from France, &c.: That the Lords had made stay of them; and that they should be presently opened, in the Presence of the Committees of both Houses for Irish Affairs.

Oaths of Allegiance, &c.

Mr. Glyn, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Palmar, Mr. Hill, Mr. Mainard, Mr. Peard, Mr. Ellis, are added to the Committee to peruse the Statutes touching the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy.

Loan from the City.

Mr. Vassall reports from the City, That, according to the Commands of this House, he had moved the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen: And found them very ready to further the Desire of this House, concerning the Lending of Fifty thousand Pounds; - They find Three Obstructions in the Business:

1. That the Fifty thousand Pounds, formerly lent to the Peers, is not yet paid.

2. The Protections granted by both Houses, makes them very unwilling to this.

3. The Committee of both Houses promised an Act of Parliament should pass, before they parted with their Money.

Moved, That this Business be taken into farther Consideration To-morrow Morning.