House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 19 November 1641

Pages 320-321

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, 19 Nov. 1641.


Onslowe's Purchase.

ORDERED, That Sir Rich. Onslowe, who has bought Lands of Sir Richard Weston, shall pay the Money due, according to the Bargain, unto the Creditors mentioned in the Schedule and Indenture, notwithstanding any former Order of this House.

Dawes' Estate.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the better Payment of several Sums of Money therein specified, by and out of the Estate of Sir Tho. Dawes.

Navy Victualling.

Mr. Vassall, Captain Rainsborow, Mr. Mathew, Mr. Green, Mr. Bence, Mr. Rolle, Sir H. Vane, are to view the Rates of the Victuals of the Navy; and to report their Opinion to the House of them.


The Amendments to the Declaration were read; and put to the Question; and affented unto.

Ordered, That the Word "Degradation," in that Part of the Declaration where it speaks of the Canons, be struck out.

That the Words "extinguish the Monuments of Idolatry" be altered to these Words, "take away the Monuments of Idolatry."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this Declaration, with the Amendments thus read, shall be forthwith ingrossed; and brought in, ingrossed, To-morrow at Two of Clock.

List of Officers.

A List of the Officers of Sir Simon Harcourt's Regi ment was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Navy Victualling.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Navy.... how the Kingdom may be served upon better Rates hereafter, in victualing of Ships to be set forth to Sea, than now are propounded.

Proceedings concerning Goringe.

Some Letters from Portsmouth, that reflected upon Colonel Goringe, were read.

And Colonel Goringe, being present, made Answer to each Particular that was contained in those Letters.

Whereupon this House doth declare, and approve of Colonel Goring his faithful Service, in his Place of Governor of the Town of Portsmouth: And that they hold it fit he repair again to his Place of Trust.

It was moved, that the Parties that writ these Two Letters might make Satisfaction to Colonel Goringe: But the House conceived they were Persons so mean and unworthy, that they could not make Reparation fit for a Person of his Worth to have; and therefore gave Directions the Letters should be burnt.

Ships for Ireland.

Whereas it was ordered, upon the 17th of November Instant, that Four thousand Pounds should be imprest to the Treasurers of the Navy, towards the Victualing, Furnishing and Setting to Sea, Four Ships appointed for the Service of Ireland: It is this Day Ordered, That Three thousand Pounds of the said Four thousand Pounds, and One thousand Pounds more, shall be imprest upon the Victualler of the Navy, towards the Victualing of the Ships aforesaid: And that One thousand Pounds shall be imprest to the Treasurers of the Navy, towards the Furnishing and Setting forth the Ships aforesaid, out of the Fifty thousand Pounds, that is to come in from the City for the Occasions of Ireland; and is to be paid out of the Money that shall hereafter come in upon the Bill of Tonage and Poundage: And this House doth agree, for this present, to the Propositions made by the Victualler of the Navy; and that the Residue of the Money shall be secured to be paid, at the Return of the Ships, upon Account.

Packer's Loan.

Ordered, That the Hundred Pounds, now offered to be freely given by John Packer Esquire, for the Affairs in Ireland, be paid to the Chamber of the City of London: And the Chamberlain of the City of London is authorized, by this House, to receive all such Monies as shall be freely given, by any Person whatsoever, for the Service aforesaid: And that Certificate be made from time to time to this House, of such Sums as shall be so given as aforesaid; and of the Names of such Persons as shall give the same: And Mr. Rous is desired to give Mr. Packer Thanks, from this House, for his good Affection in giving the said Sum.

Loan from the City.

Ordered, That the Ordinance for Security to be given to the City of London, for Monies lent, and to be lent, shall be recommitted to the said Committee: And Sir Jo. Colpeper is added thereunto.

Parlimentary Protections, &c.

Mr. Reynolds reported the Bill concerning Protections, with the Amendments: And the Bill with the Amendments assented unto; and, upon the Question, ordered to be ingrossed; and brought in To-morrow Morning.

Mr. Reynolds likewise reports the Bill, intituled, An Act to take away all Protections, and all pretended Privileges from Arrest; and, upon Question, recommitted to the same Committee.

Examining Russell, &c.

Sir John Clotworthy, Sir Gilbert Gerard, Mr. Hollis, Sir H. Vane, Mr. Whittacre, are appointed to examine one Mr. Le Russell, that spoke very dangerous Words concerning the Rebellion in Ireland, as this House was informed: And likewise, that they should consider what is fit to be done with those poor People, Papists, that were apprehended upon the general Order of searching, the other Night.


A Message from the Lords, by J. Reeve and Doctor Bennett;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand * * *

1. The Custody of the Isle of Wight,-

2. Securing the Persons of some Recusants.-

3. A Petition from divers Officers of the late Army.-

4. Concerning some Ships to be appointed for the Guarding of the narrow Seas.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; that the House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Hide, Mr. Pym, Sir H. Vane, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Pym reports the Conference:

For the putting the Custody of the Isle of Wight into other Hands, their Lordships Answer was read; viz.

That, in the Desire of the Commons, concerning the Earl of Portland, it seemeth, by the Reasons alledged by them, that they are doubtful of his Religion; wherein he hath publickly, in the House, made so solemn Protestation of his having been ever bred in the Protestant Religion, and of his firm Resolution to live and die in the same, as hath given good Content in that Particular; and, for that which concerns his Father, he affirmed, that he lived and died a Protestant: Which the Lords thought good to acquaint them with.

Concerning the Securing the Persons of the Recusants, they have deferred their Resolution herein, until this House bring up a particular List of their Names.

Next,-a Petition of the Colonels and Chiefs, presented to the Earl of Holland, General of his Majesty's Army in the late Expedition in the North; which was read, concerning the Arrear of their Pay, trusted till about this time.

Concerning some Ships for the Guard of the narrow Seas, propounded to be considered of as a Particular recommended by his Majesty, and of great Importance for Affairs of Ireland.

Securing Papists.

Ordered, That the House shall rise; and that the Grand Committee of the whole House shall afterwards sit to consider of the Names of the Persons of Papists to be secured; and shall have Power to adjourn themselves till To-morrow Morning, if they shall see Occasion.