House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 30 November 1641

Pages 327-328

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, ult. Nov. 1641.


Exaction of Fees.

ORDERED, That the Committee appointed to examine the Exaction of Fees, by the Officers, upon the Collectors of the Poll-money and Subsidies passing their Accounts, do meet this Afternoon, at Four of Clock, in the Exchequer-chamber.

Person to attend.

Ordered, That Mr. William Chillingworth be forthwith required to attend this House; and that the Serjeant, or his Deputy, do bring him in his Company to the House presently; and that it he shall refuse to come upon Summons, that then he shall be apprehended as a Delinquent.

Presenting Petition to the King.

Sir Symonds D'Ewes, Sir Arth. Ingram, Sir Ja. Thinne, Mr. H. Bellassis, Lord Gray, Sir Christ. Wray, Lord Fairefax, Sir Ra. Hopton, Sir Rich. Winne, Sir Jo. Cobett, Sir Edw. Deering, Sir Arth. Haselrig.

These Twelve Gentlemen are to attend his Majesty, at Hampton Court, at such time as his Majesty shall appoint, for the Presenting unto his Majesty the Petition and the Declaration. * * * *

Proceedings concerning Phillips.

Moved, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordships, that, if they please, in regard of the Sickness of Mr. Phillipps the Priest, to remove him to Somersett-house, that they will take care that he may be forthcoming, and not suffered to come to Court, till this House hath brought in their Charge against him.

Strangewayes Information.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Sir John Strangewayes, shall presently declare the Particulars of the Information that has been given unto him.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the original Paper shall be brought in, and read.

Persons to attend.

Ordered, That Mr. Mansfeld, an Haberdasher in Distaff-lane; and one Cole, his Apprentice; and one Mr. Jo. Michaelson, Doctor in Divinity; and Mr. Daniel Eastcourt, Doctor in Divinity; shall be forthwith summoned to attend this House presently; and that they be brought hither severally, that they may not confer one with another; and, if they shall refuse to come upon Summons, that they be apprehended and brought as Delinquents.

Kirton's Informations.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Kirton shall presently declare the Particulars of the Informations that he offered to present to the House.

Persons to attend.

Ordered, That Mr. Bradborne, a Mercer at the Cradle in Cheapside, and Mr. Daniel Bradshaw, and Mr. Tho. Lavender, at the Black Spread Eagle in Bread-street, be forthwith required to attend this House presently; and that they shall be brought severally; and that, if they shall not come upon Summons, that then they shall be apprehended as Delinquents.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Solicitor is appointed to carry up to the Lords the Bill of Tonage and Poundage. And Mr. Solicitor is likewise to desire the Lords to use all Expedition in the Bill concerning the Securing of some Persons popishly affected.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

Ordered, That the Bishops Plea of Demurrer shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow at Ten of Clock: And the Lawyers of the House are required to attend here at the same time: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order.

Salt, Wine, &c.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Glyn, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Ash, Mr. Wheeler, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Vassall, Sir Wm. Massam, Mr. Rowse, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Ro. Goodwyn, Mr. Crue, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Gilbert Pickering, Sir Jo. Coke, Mr. Wingate, Mr. Winwood, Mr. Pury, Mr. Law. Whittacre, Mr. Shuttleworth, Sir Symonds D'Ewes, Sir Arth. Haselring;

This Committee is to consider of the Business of Salt; Wine, and exacted Fees: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c: And are to meet To-morrow at Seven of Clock, in the Treasury-chamber.


A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand with the Conveni- ency of this House, touching the Security of the Two several Fifty thousand Pounds; and likewise touching the Putting into Security the Persons of some Recusants.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Reynolds, Serjeant Wilde, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Fines, Serjeant Evers, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Hampden reports the Conference, as concerning the Bill for securing some Persons popishly affected:

That the Lords did fully agree to the Alterations made here, as to the Persons, the Names, and the Places of their Dwelling; but, as to the rest, they did adhere to the Bill, as it first came from them.

Serjeant Wilde reports the t'other Part, concerning the Ordinance for Security to the City for the Two Fifty thousand Pounds:

They agree to the Ordinance in the main, with some small Amendments; which they sent down in Writing.

Tumults about the House.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Dr. Bennett;

The Lords desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, presently, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Multitude of People that come here to the Parliament, armed.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

The same Reporters, that were appointed for the last Conference, are appointed likewise Reporters of this.

Parliament Guard.

Mr. Pym presents from the Committee, the Reasons of both Houses of Parliament for the Continuance of a Guard; viz.

1. The great Numbers of disorderly, suspicious, and desperate Persons, especially of the Irish Nation, lurking in obscure Allies, and Victualling-houses, in the Suburbs, and other Places, near London and Westminster.

The Jealousy conceived upon Discovery of the Design in Scotland, for the Surprising of the Persons of divers of the Nobility, Members of the Parliament there, which had been spoken of here, some few Days before it broke out, not without some whispering Intimation, that the like was intended, against divers Persons of both Houses: Which found the more Credit, by reason of the former Attempts of bringing up the Army, to disturb and enforce this Parliament.

The Conspiracy in Ireland, managed with so much Secrecy, that, but for the happy Discovery at Dublin, it had been executed in all Parts of the Kingdom, upon one and the same Day, or soon after; and that some of the chief Conspirators did profess, that the like Course was intended in England and Scotland: Which being found, in some degree, true in Scotland, seemed the more probable to be likewise designed for England.

Divers Advertisements beyond the Sea which came over about the same time, "That there should be a great Alteration of Religion in England in a few Days; and that the Necks of both the Parliaments should be broken."

Divers Examinations, of dangerous Speeches of some of the Popish and discontented Party in this Kingdom.

The secret Meetings and Consultations of the Papists, in several Parts:- Their frequent Devotion, for the Prosperity of some great Design in hand.

These several Considerations do move the Parliament to desire a Guard; which for the most part * * under the Command of the Earl of Essex: And they do conceive there is just Cause to apprehend, that there is some wicked and mischievous Practice to interrupt the peaceable Proceedings of the Parliament, is still in hand: For preventing whereof, it is fit the Guard should be continued under the same Command, or such other as they should choose: But, to have it under the Command of any other, not chosen by themselves, they can by no means consent to; and will rather run any Hazard, than admit of a Precedent so dangerous, both to this and future Parliaments.

And they humbly leave it to his Majesty, to consider, whether it will not be fit to suffer his high Court of Parliament to enjoy that Privilege of providing for their own Safety, which was never denied other inferior Courts: And that he will be pleased graciously to believe, that they cannot think themselves safe under any Guard, of which they shall not be assured, that it will be as faithful in defending his Majesty's Safety, as their own; whereof they shall always be more careful than of their own.

False Reports against the King.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs do prepare Heads for a Conference with the Lords, concerning a Declaration to be made, for the Clearing of his Majesty's Honour from false Reports cast upon him, by the Rebels in Ireland; and of a Provision to be made, that there may be no Conclusion of that War there, to the Prejudice of this Kingdom: And that the Committee bring in the Heads of this Conference To-morrow Morning.


Ordered, That the Report of the Conference with the Lords last Night be made To-morrow Morning at Eleven of Clock.

Parliament Guard.

Ordered, That the Guard shall be dismissed; and that Mr. Glyn and Mr. Wheeler do require the High Constable of Westminster to provide a strong and sufficient Watch, in their Steads.