House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 02 December 1641

Pages 329-330

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, 2 Decembris, 1641.



ORDERED, That the Committee, for the Bill for Dividing of the Parish of St. Andrewes, and the Committees for the Dividing all other Parishes, be revived; and do meet on Monday Morning, at Eight of Clock, in the Duchy-court.

Soap, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee for Soap be joined to the Committee for Salt.

Stritch's &c. Petition.

The humble Petition of Wm. Stritch, and Domingo Mansfeld, was this Day read; and ordered to be recommended to the Lord Mayor of London; desiring him, that if there appear no other Cause of Commitment against them than what is contained in the Petition, that then they should be discharged from any farther Imprisonment.

Member admitted.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Jervase Hollis shall be presently admitted to sit as a Member of this House.

Officers Petition.

The humble Petition of the Colonels and Captains of his Majesty's Army in the North, late under the command of the Right Honourable the Earl of Holland, was this Day read: And

The House does take their Petition into Consideration; but in regard of the great Businesses of this Kingdom, and the Occasions late fallen out in Ireland, they cannot pay them so soon as they desired; but are resolved to give them Satisfaction at the latter End of February next.

State of Money.

Ordered, That on Tuesday next the Committee formerly appointed to consider of the State of the Money, shall bring in Account of that Business; and the House then fall into Consideration of it.

Treasurers of Subsidies.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Treasurers of the Three Subsidies * * * *

Delivery of Petition and Remonstrance.

Sir Ra. Hopton reports the Delivery of the Petition and Remonstrance unto his Majesty:

"That the last Night in the Evening, the Committee appointed to attend his Majesty in this Particular, came to Hampton-court: And Sir Richard Wynne (I may name him upon this Occasion) gave his Majesty Notice of our being there: And within a Quarter of an Hour, the King sent a Gentleman to call us in; with Directions, that none shall come in but the Committee alone: Who did all of them present themselves upon their Knees; And myself, in Obedience to the Order of the House; in the Absence of another designed for that Service, did begin to read the Petition kneeling: but his Majesty would not permit us to kneel, but commanded us all to rise; and so I read it. The first Observation his Majesty made was at that Part of the Petition that chargeth a malignant Party with a Design to change Religion; To which his Majesty said, with a great deal of Fervency, "The Devil take him, whomsoever he be, that had a Design to change Religion."I then proceeded; and when I came to that Part of the Petition, for reserving the Disposal of the Lands of the Rebels in Ireland, &c. his Majesty was pleased to say, "We must not dispose of the Bear's Skin till he be dead." After the Petition was read, his Majesty desired to ask us some Questions: We answered, we had no Commission to speak any thing concerning this Business. "Then, said he, you may speak as particular Men; and said, "Doth the House intend to publish this Declaration?" We answered, "We could give no Answer unto it." "Well then (said he) I suppose you do not now expect an Answer to so long a Petition: And this let me tell you, I have left Scotland well, and in Peace: they are all satisfied with me, and I with them; and though I stayed longer there than I expected, yet I think, if I had not gone, you had not been rid so soon of the Army. I shall give you an Answer to this Business, with as much Speed as the Weightiness of the Business will permit.." And so gave us all his Hand to kiss: And afterwards sent Mr. Comptroller to us with this Message, to be delivered to the House, "That there might be no Publishing of the Declaration, till this House had received his Majesty's Answer."- We were all entertained by Mr. Comptroller with great Respect; and lodged by the King's Harbinger:

Chancellor of Scotland, &c.

A Certificate from the Chancellor of Scotland, of the faithful and careful Performance of the Trust reposed in Mr. John Pickering; and likewise the Answer of the Lord General Lesley to the Respects of this House, presented unto him by Mr. Pickering; were this Day read.

Scotch Commissioners.

That Sir Jo. Evelyn shall write to his Sister, concerning a House to be provided for the Entertainment of the Commissioners, that are to come from Scotland: And that this Letter shall be sent by the Serjeant's Man.

Raising Soldiers.

Serjeant Wilde reports the Bill for the better Raising and Levying of Soldiers for the Defence of the Kingdoms of England and Ireland, &c. with the Amendments and Additions. The which Amendments and Additions were twice read.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Clause that excepts the Five Ports, or other Out Ports of Sea Towns of this Realm, shall be left out: And that these Words, "to any Mariners, Seamen, and Fishermen," shall be put in.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Commencement of the Bill shall be altered, from the First of November to the First of December.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this Bill, thus amended, shall be ingrossed.

Raising Mariners, &c.

2da vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the better Raising and Levying of Mariners, &c. for the better Guarding of the Seas, and Defence of his Majesty's Dominions: Upon Question, committed unto the Committee, formerly appointed for the Bill for Raising of Soldiers: And are to meet this Afternoon at Five of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Message to attend the King.

The Gentleman Usher of the House of Lords House came and acquainted Mr. Speaker, that his Majesty was in the Lords House; and had sent for Mr. Speaker and the House of Commons.

Tumults about the House.

The Order, Yesterday made, for taking the Report of the Conference had with the Lords, concerning the tumultuous Assembling of People about the Houses of Parliament; and the Petition presented from divers of the Inhabitants in and about the City and Suburbs of London; was read:

And accordingly the House proceeded to the Debate of those Matters.

Ordered, That the Debate of this Business, concerning the Conference with the Lords, touching the tumultuous Assembly of People about the Houses of Parliament; and the Petition from sundry of the Inhabitants of the City of London; shall be resumed To-morrow at Eleven of Clock.