House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 08 December 1641

Pages 335-336

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 8 Decembris, 1641.


Prisoner discharged.

THE humble Petition of Geffrey Palmer was read; wherein he did acknowledge his Offence, and the Justice of the House, and his Sorrow that he had fallen into the Displeasure of the House.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Geffrey Palmer shall be now discharged from his Imprisonment in the Tower.

The King's Speech.

According to a former Order of this House, Mr. Solicitor brought a Copy of his Majesty's Speech: Which was again ordered to be entered into the Journals of this House.

Irish Affairs.

There were Extracts of several Letters from Ireland, and Two Copies of Oaths of the Rebels, were this Day read.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Three hundred Carabines, formerly resolved by this House do be raised in Ireland, shall be raised here in England.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth declare, that they will never give Consent to any Toleration of the Popish Religion in Ireland, or in any other of his Majesty's Dominions:

That this Debate concerning the Affairs in Ireland shall be resumed.


A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr. Bennett;

The Lords desire a Conference, by a Committee, * * touching certain Instructions that are to be given to the Commissioners of both Houses, that are appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Scotland, concerning the Irish Affairs: Touching a Request made to the King by the French Ambassador, concerning certain Priests convicted and to be convicted.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting as is desired.

* Pym, Sir John Colpeper, Mr. Hollis, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Fines, Sir Wm. Armyn, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Transactions with Scotland.

Sir John Colpeper reports, that the Lords desired that both Houses would agree upon Instructions, for a Commission to be granted to the Commissioners of both Houses appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Scotland, concerning the Irish Affairs:

Condemned Priests.

That the French Ambassador moved his Majesty, that he would be pleased to grant his Favour to Eight Priests, that are condemned, or to be condemned this Day; either to banish them, or to imprison them; and that it would be advantageous to the Affairs in Ireland.

His Majesty's Answer was, that he would acquaint his Parliament with his Request; and that then he should have his Answer.

Lords to sit.

Sir John Clotworthy is appointed to go to the Lords; to desire they would be pleased to sit awhile.

Tonage and Poundage.

Sir Hen. Vane, junior, Sir John Colpeper, Mr. Pym, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Hollis, Sir Ro. Pye;

This Committee is to prepare an Order, and to present it to this House, to be presented to the Lords, whereby the Commissioners for the Treasury, and the Officers of the Receipt, may be injoined not to dispose of the Monies received, or to be received, upon the Bill of Tonage and Poundage, till Provision be made out of the same for the Defence of the narrow Seas: And are to meet To-morrow Morning at Eight of the Clock, in the Treasury-chamber.

Naval Officers Pay.

Ordered, That the Officers of the Navy do certify this House, whether the Sums of Money, for which this House was engaged to see paid unto them, towards the Setting out of Ships this last Summer, be paid unto them, out of the Monies received upon the Bill of Tonage and Poundage; to the End that, if any Part thereof remain yet behind, that Order may be given, that the same be paid out of the Monies received upon this Bill of Tonage and Poundage.

Raising Soldiers for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds shall be forthwith imprest out of the Chamber of London, upon Account to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, or such as he shall appoint, for the Raising of Soldiers, to be presently sent over into Ireland.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs do prepare Heads for a Declaration, to be made by this House, of their Proceedings in the Irish Affairs, and of the Rubs and Delays that have happened in that Business; and also to present Reasons to this House, to be delivered at a Conference to the Lords, to join with this House, to move his Majesty to declare, that a Toleration of Religion may not be granted to the Rebels in Ireland, nor in any of his Majesty's Dominions: And they are further to consider of the Two Forms of Oaths taken by the Rebels, and of the particular Injuries expressed in that Oath; and of whatsoever else may conduce to this Business; and to present the same to this House To-morrow at Twelve of the Clock; together with the Declaration to be presented to his Majesty, to declare * * * *

Popish Religion.

Ordered, That this shall be One Head of the Conference: To move the Lords, to join with this House in the Declaration, that no Toleration of the Popish Religion in Ireland, or any his Majesty's Dominions, may be ever assented unto by them.

Transactions with Scotland.

Lord Gray went up to the Lords with this Message; To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Instructions to be given to Members of both Houses, appointed as Commissioners to treat with the Scotts Commissioners, concerning the Irish Affairs.

Answer brought by the Lord Gray, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Instructions agreed upon to be given to the Commissioners, nominated by this House, to treat with the Scotts Commissioners.

"You shall be careful to express to the Commissioners of Scotland, his Majesty's gracious Acceptance, and the Thanks of both Houses of Parliament, for their Readiness to assist this Kingdom against the Rebels in Ireland."

"You shall receive the Answer of the Parliament and State of Scotland, concerning the Five thousand Men, which were formerly desired might be sent from thence into Ireland; and upon what Condition of imprest Money for raising of them, and Wages for their Entertainment, or otherwise, they shall be furnished and transported for his Majesty's Service, and the Assistance of this Kingdom against the rebellious Irish: And you shall, by the best ways and means you can, expedite the Raising and Sending over of these Men."

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hampden, Sir John Clotworthy, Sir John Colpeper, Mr. Hollys, Mr. Glyn, are appointed Managers of this Conference.