House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 21 December 1641

Pages 351-353

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 21 Decembris, 1641.


Prisoner discharged.

THE Petition of Geo. Long, Esquire, was this Day read: And it was thereupon

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Geo. Long, now a Prisoner in the Tower, by former Order from this House, shall be forthwith discharged from any farther Imprisonment; and that Mr. Speaker shall forthwith issue forth his Warrant to the Lieutenant of the Tower to discharge him accordingly.

St. Andrewe's Parish.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for dividing St. Andrewe's Parish, Holborne, shall meet on Thursday at Eight of Clock.

Examination of Beale, &c.

Sir Walter Earle reporteth from the Committee appointed to take the Examination of Captain Beale, and others, about Sixteen Queries, and other Matters: And, for a further Discovery thereof, it is recommitted to the same Committee, to take it into Consideration.

Defence of the Kingdom.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the better settling of a military Power for the Defence of the Kingdom.

Person called in.

Mr. John Ridley the Under Sheriff of the County of Northumberland, was called in, according to the Order of Yesterday, * * * *

Person sent for.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Dr. Gray, Person of Pontelard, in the County of Northumberland, shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.


Ordered, That the Committee for the Poll-money shall have Power to receive the Certificates that come from the several Counties concerning the Poll-money; and shall consider of them; and, as Occasion shall be, report to the House.

Irish Affairs.

Many Letters were this Day read, concerning Ireland: Some for Sir Wm. Brereton; One from the Attorney General of Ireland; Sir Wm. Brereton informs, that Sir Simon Harcourt's Regiment is compleat, and that there are Four or Five hundred more chearful Voluntiers which are ready to go, if they had Commission.


Sir Ph. Stapilton informs, that the Earl of Leicester told him, that upon late Advertisements, he conceived that there was no Way to succour Dublyn but by Diversion in the North; which can no way be so well done as by the Scotts.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the Lords, so soon as they are set, to desire to know their Lordships present Resolutions, whether they will consent to the Propositions made by the Scotts, for the present Raising of Ten thousand Scotts; and the Resolutions of this House upon those Propositions; "And likewise to "desire, that Order may be given for the Beating of "Drums, for Raising of Volunteers here in England."[a] Sir Philip Stapilton went up to the Lords with this Message.

Forces for Ireland.

That Directions may be sent by this Post, that those Volunteers that are at Chester, over-and-above those that Sir Simon Harcourt has Commission to transport * * * *

Mr. Pym informed the House, that this Matter was Yesternight moved at the Committee; and that the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland did assure them, that he would give present Directions for the Transporting of them.

Soldiers Pay.

Mr. Hampden is appointed to acquaint the Soldiers that petitioned this House, that the House is now entering into the Consideration of Raising of Monies; and hope they shall be able to give them real Satisfaction before they rise.

Owen's, &c. Propositions.

That Sir Hugh Owen's Proposition, and Mr. Baker's Proposition, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Irish Affairs.

Sir W. Balfour.

Sir Wm. Balfour is required to attend the House.

Raising Money.

The House was resolved into a Committee, to consider of some way of raising Monies.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair: And,

Upon Mr. Serjeant Wilde's Report, it was

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Clause shall be added to the Bill for the Collection for the Irish Protestants who are come over, for the Raising of Monies, by way of Benevolence, or voluntary Loan, through the Kingdom.

Resolved, &c. That the Committee for That Bill shall have Power to add this Clause to the Bill.

Resolved, &c. That Commissioners be nominated and authorized by the Act, for the Receiving of this Money.

Mr. Serjeant Euers, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Hebblethwayte, Mr. Whittlock, are presently to withdraw, for the Inserting of the Clauses aforesaid into the Bill aforesaid.

Raising Money.

The House was again resolved into a Committee.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde called to the Chair: And

The Committee proceeded to the Reading of the Bill for the Raising of Four hundred thousand Pounds.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Philip Stapilton brings Answer, that the Lord Keeper told him, that the House was not yet full enough to enter into the Consideration of Businesses of so great Consequence: So soon as it shall fill, they will take it into Consideration: and send a speedy Answer.

House for Scotch Commissioners.

The House does accept of the free Offer of Mr. Martin, to accommodate the Scotts Commissioners with a House, at the Rent of One hundred Pounds per Annum; and returns him Thanks for it: And, if any of the Goods shall be lost or spoiled, the House does undertake to make it good: And, if any Goods shall be wanting for the well Furnishing of it, Mr. Venn, and Mr. Spurstow, are desired to take care for the Supplying of it upon the best Terms they can.

Raising Money.

The House was again resolved into a Committee.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde was called to the Chair: And

The Committee proceeded to the Reading of the Bill for Raising of Four hundred thousand Pounds.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Irish Affairs.

The humble Petition of divers Lords and Gentlemen, all or most Part of whose Estates is in the Power of the Rebels in Ireland, was read.

Ordered, That Mr. Hollis do go to the Lords with this Message; and acquaint their Lordships, that this House hath received a Petition from divers Lords and Gentlemen, whose Estates are taken from them by the Rebels in Ireland; who are very sensible of the Miseries of the Protestants there, and of the great Danger the whole Kingdom is in, if instant and speedy Supply be not made both by English and Scotts; and, that in their Petition, they desire the Ten thousand Scotts, assented unto by this House, may be sent over; and that the same may be recommended by this House to the Lords, to hasten the same: And, to let the Lords know, that, if they after so many Messages concerning this Particular, cannot receive their Resolution; that they must acquit themselves to the World of their Endeavours: And to deliver the Lords the Petition itself.

Contribution for Ireland.

Mr. Serjeant Euers reporteth the Bill for the Benevolence, and voluntary Contribution, for the Occasions of Ireland, together with the Amendments.

Ordered, That the same Commissioners, and the same Treasurers, that were nominated in the Poll Bill, shall be the Commissioners and Treasurers to be nominated in this Bill for the Benevolence, &c. And it is Ordered, That the Bill be recommitted to the same Committee.

State of Money.

Mr. Wheeler reports the State of the Money, in hac Verba:

£. s. d.
Received of the several Wards, and others, towards the Loan of Fifty thousand Pounds for the Irish Affairs - - - - - 44,977 - -
Paid, in all,per divers Orders of the House - - - - - 33,457 6 8
Rest in Cash - - 11,519 13 4
Received, in all for the Four Subsidies, 206,659 14 1
Paid, in all, to private Lenders of the Fifty thousand Pounds, by AlderMen and Citizens of London, to Sir John Harrison, to Alderman Penington, to divers Gentlemen of the House, and to Sir Wm. Uvedale for the Army - - - - 191,903 - 6
Rest - - 14,756 13 7
Account of Poll-money, and Loan General, to the 18th of December, 1641.
Received Poll-money, as per Particulars in the Accont general, apperas 168,608 17 5 3/4
Loan Money - - - - - 76,300 - -
From Sir Paul Pindar - - - 10,489 18 [4]
Total - - 255,458 15 9 3/4
Paid, as per Particulars mentioned in the Account current general - 224,213 17 8
Paid Loan-money, and Interest - 25,523 13 -
Remains in Cash - - 5,721 4 10 3/4
£. 255,458 15 9 3/4

Officers Pay.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Thirteen thousand Pounds, being the Moiety of the Wages due to the Officers of the late Army, shall be forthwith paid out of the Monies remaining in ready Cash, upon the Subsidies, and the Poll-money, unto Sir Wm. Uvedale, Treasurer at Wars; to issue out proportionably to the Officers, according to the Earl of Holland's Directions: And the Commissioners of London for the Poll-money are hereby required to pay Three thousand Pounds to the said Sir Wm. Uvedale: and the Treasurers for the Subsidies the other Ten thousand Pounds; the Remainder of the Thirteen thousand Pounds aforesaid.

Irish Affairs.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire a present Conference by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Affairs of Ireland.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House is resolved to give a present Meeting, as is desired.desired.

Sir H. Vane, Mr. Pym, * Colpeper, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Sir H. Vane reports the Conference: The Lord Keeper delivered, in Paper, what was to be imparted to this House; which was a general and particular Proposition, delivered in Two several Papers: The which were read in hac verba, viz.

1. The general Proposition;-To desire to know what Certainty That House will give This, that if their Proposition concerning the present Going of Ten thousand Scotts into Ireland be agreed unto, that Ten thousand English may speedily follow.

2. Whether they will concur with us, and vote in their House, that Ten thousand English shall go as well as Ten thousand Scotts; and that his Majesty be moved to give Assent thereunto.

Mr. Hotham is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them to sit awhile.

Mr. Hotham brings Answer, that their Lordships will sit awhile, as is desired.

Sir Tho. Barrington is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Matter of the last Conference.

Sir Tho. Barrington brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Hollis, Mr. Pym, Sir Philip Stapelton, Sir H. Vane, Mr. Nath. Fines, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Irish Affairs.

Heads for a free Conference with the Lords, concerning the Matter of the last Conference:

THAT it is not the Course of Parliament, nor hath been practised, for One House to capitulate with the other.

That this House can give no greater Assurance, than the Vote of the House.

That this House doth not conceive their Lordships Proposition hath any Dependence upon the Proposition sent up by this House, concerning the Ten thousand Scotts.

That the Propositions, sent to the Lords by this House, is so necessary, that, unless they receive a speedy Answer, they conceive there can be no Safety to Ireland. Therefore to desire a present Answer.

That they can give no certain Answer for the speedy Sending away the English, so long as the Bill for Pressing remains with their Lordships, and not passed.

That they be acquainted what the Scoche Commissioners declared this Day; That, unless this Night they receive a positive Answer, concerning the Sending away their Men, they must be enforced to send away To-morrow to Scotland; and those Two thousand Five hundred Men, that they have kept so long at their own Charge for the Service of this Kingdom, must be disbanded.


Mr. Pym presented from the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland certain Propositions: Which were read: And it was thereupon

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Propositions, now presented by Mr. Pym, shall be referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs, to agree and conclude with the Officers, upon the best Terms they can, for the Good of the Commonwealth.

Arms, &c. for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Lords be desired, at a Conference, to join with this House, to move his Majesty to grant a Dormant Warrant to the Lieutenant of the Ordnance, for the Delivery, from time to time, out of his Storehouse,..such Provision of Arms and Munition, or other Furniture, for the War in Ireland, as shall be thought necessary by both Houses of Parliament.

Letter to Ld. Strange.

Ordered, That Sir Hen. Vaine do write his Letter to the Lord Strange; and to acquaint his Lordship what this House is informed of concerning some Letters directed to Popish Commanders, and which his Lordship sent up hither; and to know of his Lordship, by whom those Letters were sent, and to whom they were directed.

List of Officers.

Ordered, That Sir H. Mildmay shall go to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and desire him, from this House, to send in a List of the Names of his Officers.

Artillery Train.

Ordered, That on Thursday next, at Ten of Clock, the House shall take into Consideration the Settling the Business concerning the Train of Artillery.

Hill's Recommendation.

Ordered, That the Certificates now read on the Behalf of Wm. Hill Gentleman, from the Lord Chancellor and Judges in Ireland, and the Earl of Ormond, for some Place of Employment in the Wars in Ireland, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Irish Affairs, to recommend him the said Mr. Hill to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, for a Place accordingly.

Scandalous Ministers.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill concerning scandalous Ministers be revived; and do meet upon that Bill on Thursday Morning at Eight of Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Ministers Petition.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Ministers Remonstrance do take into Consideration the Petition last presented by the Ministers; and to examine the Suggestions in the said Petition: And are to meet on Thursday come Sevennight at Eight..Clock, in the Exchequer-chamber.

Gracechurch Minister.

Ordered, That Alderman Pennington do take care to bring the Witnesses of the Parish of Gracechurch, to testify That Information he gave the House this Day against the Minister of that Parish.

Information against Beale.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for scandalous Minister, do take into Consideration the Matter informed of against Dr. Beale.

The Seven Priests.

Ordered, That Sir Philip Stapleton do go on Thursday next to the Lords with this Message; To know what is done concerning the Seven Priests.

Forces for Ireland.

Mr. Hollis reports from the free Conference with the Lords, that they have voted, in their House, that Ten thousand English shall go into Ireland: That they have likewise voted, that Ten thousand Scotts shall go into Ireland.

Treaty with Scotland.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of this House, appointed to treat with the Scoch Commissioners, shall have Power to proceed with the Scoch Commissioners in that Treaty, and to receive further Propositions from them.

Adjourned till-Thursday Ten of Clock.


  • a. The Words marked with inverted Commas, are in the Journal scored under; and there is in the Margin, "These Words resolved to be omitted.