House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 17 January 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 17 Januarii, 1641.


Bailing a Prisoner.

ORDERED, That Mr. Quelch, now in the Serjeant's Custody, by Order of this House, shall be forthwith bailed.

Ammunition at Foxehall.

Ordered, That Sir Jo. Evelyn shall carry up the Message to the Lords, so soon as they are set, concerning the Ammunition at Foxehall.


The Three Declarations reported on Wednesday last by Mr. Whittlock and Mr. Glyn, now prepared, and drawn into the Form of One Declaration, as was formerly ordered, was this Day reported by Serjeant Wilde; and read: And

It is Resolved, upon the Question, That this Declaration shall pass, as the Declaration of the House of Commons.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this Declaration shall be forthwith published in Print.

Division between King and Parliament.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde reports the Votes of the House concerning a Guard, drawn up likewise into the Form of a Declaration: And

It is Resolved, upon the Question, That this Declaration shall pass, as the Declaration of this House; and that it shall be fair ingrossed, and sent up to the Lords.

Resolved, upon the Question, That all such Persons as have given any Counsel, or endeavoured to set or maintain Division or Dislike between the King and Parliament; or have listed their Names, or otherwise entered into any Combination or Agreement, to be aiding or assisting to any such Counsel or Endeavour, or have persuaded any other so to do; or that shall do any the things abovementioned, and shall not forthwith discover the same to either House of Parliament, or the Speaker of either of the said Houses respectively, and disclaim it; are declared publick Enemies of the State and Peace of this Kingdom; and shall be inquired of, and proceeded against accordingly.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth allow and confirm this Vote: And

It is Ordered, That it shall be added to the Declaration of the House of Commons, and be printed therewith.

And it is further Resolved, upon the Question, That this Vote shall be carried up to the Lords, and their Consent desired herein.

Defence of the Kingdom.

Mr. Martyn, Mr. Sam. Browne, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Sir Walter Erle, Sir Tho. Bowyer, Sir Rob. Pye, Sir Jo. Holland, Lord Fairefaxe, Sir Hen. Heyman, Mr. Selden, Mr. Bodvile, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Arthur Ingram, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Hill, Mr. Rigby;

These are added to the Committee appointed to consider of putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence: And are to meet To-morrow at Eight.. Clock.

Examining Legg.

Sir Jo. Hotham, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Sir Philip Stapleton, Sir Edw. Aiscough, Mr. Pelham, Sir Hen. Vaine, Sir Wm. Allinson, Lord Fairefaxe, Sir Ar. Ingram, Sir Philip Musgrave, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Sutton, or any Three of them, are to examine Captain Legg, concerning the Commission and Instructions, which he carried down, concerning the Securing the Magazine of Hull.

Thanks to Buckingham County.

Ordered, That the Knights of the Shire for the County of Buck' do return Thanks to the Sheriff, Justices of Peace, Gentry and Freeholders of the County of Buckingham, that have prepared themselves in a Readiness to suppress the Forces informed to be at Kingston: And to acquaint them, that this House is informed those Forces are dispersed; and therefore, that at this time there is no need of their coming out of their Counties.

Ship with Arms, &c.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. White, Master of the Ship lately come from Berwick, by Order of the House of Commons, with Arms and Ammunition, and under their Pay, shall fall down the River with the Ship, somewhat beyond the Command of the Tower, and no further: And that if any Person shall offer to take away the Arms and Ammunition out of the Ship, that then he shall call to him the Assistance of Sailors, and other Persons for the Keeping of the same, till further Order of the House of Commons.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of this Order be referred to the Committee.

Navy Committee.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy do meet this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Norton Knatchbull, Sir Hen. Heyman, Lord Falkland, are added to that Committee.

Cambell's Estate.

Alderman Penington informed the House, that he had spoken with Mr. Cambell, One of the Members of this House, and One of the Executors to Sir James Cambell, and desired him, from this House, to take into Consideration the Defence of the War in Ireland, in the Disposing of the Estate which Sir James Cambell hath given to charitable Uses: He gave this Answer, That he had it in his Thoughts before; and, as soon as the rest of the Executors came, he would move it unto them.

Distempers of the Kingdom.

The House was resolved into a Committee, to consider of the Ways and Means to remove the Distempers of the Kingdom according to the former Order.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair: And

Mr. Whitlocke was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Privileges of Parliament.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Page and Doctor Bennett;

The Lords have commanded us to let you know, that they have appointed a Committee of One-and-twenty of their House, to join with a proportionable Number of this House, touching the Privileges of Parliament, and a Petition to his Majesty.

Answer returned by the same Messengers, that this House hath taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number, to join, as is desired.

Sir H. Vane, Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollys, Sir Philip Stapilton, Sir Hugh Cholmeley, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Grimston, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Ben. Rudyard, Serjeant Wilde, Sir Walth. Erle, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Nath. Fienis, Mr. Hampden, Mr. Arth. Goodwyn, Mr. Cage, Mr. Rowse, Lord Falkland, Lord Gray, Lord Wenman, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Selden, Mr. Law. Whittacre, Sir John Potts, Mr. Palmer, Sir Tho. Bowyer, Mr. Kirton, Mr. Martin, Mr. Long, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Whitehead, Sir H. Mildmay, Sir John Holland, Mr. Strode, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Rigby, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Ra. Hopton, Mr. Brown, Sir H. Vane jun. Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Edward Patheriche;

This Committee is to meet with a Committee of the Lords, touching the Privileges of Parliament, and a Petition to his Majesty, at such time and Place as the Lords shall appoint.

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Guildhall Committee.

This Committee is to view the Order that gave Power to the Committee that sat in the Guildhall, London, upon the last Adjournment of the House; and to enlarge that Power to such farther Heads, as shall be propounded by any Member of the House; and to consider of the Examinations concerning the Injuries done to the Citizons at Whitehall; and to inquire of the particular Persons that came in that hostile Manner to the House of Commons; and likewise to inquire of the Information given of Raising of Forces in the Country; and to consider of putting the Kingdom into a present Posture of Defence; and of some fit Declaration to be made, for recommending the taking the Protestation in all Parts of the Kingdom; and to consider of the Providing and Disposing of Monies for the Irish Affairs.

Scoch Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Citizens that serve for the City of London, to take care, that the Scoch Commissioners do pay nothing for their House-rent, and Furniture belonging unto the same: And this House will undertake to see the same satisfied.

Persons committed.

Ordered, That Mr. Pemberton and Mr. Gord, committed by Sir Edw. Wright to one of the Compters in London, shall not be delivered out of Prison, till this House do give further Order; and the Keeper of the Prison, where the said Persons are, is to take notice of this Order.

Message to Lords.

Ordered, That Sir Jo. Evelyn, when he goes up with the former Message to the Lords to desire them also to remove the Arms from Lambeth-house, and the Archbishop of York's House, into London: And also to acquaint them with the voluntary offer of the Marquis of Hambleton, that the Pieces of Ordnance at Foxhall, belonging to him, may be removed into London: Also,

He is likewise to carry to the Lords the Declaration concerning the Guards; and the Order concerning Time given to such Soldiers, as came to Whitehall in that hostile Manner to come in and discover the same.

Securing Recusants.

Ordered, That the Bill for Securing of the Persons of divers Recusants be re-committed to the former Committee, to consider of the Place where those Persons may be secured; and of the Addition of other Names to be inserted in the said Bill; and to meet To-morrow, at Nine.. Clock at Grocers-hall in London.

Arms, &c. for Ireland.

Mr. Pym reports from the Committee for Irish Affairs, of the Quantity of Arms, and Ammunition, and Ordnance, to be forthwith provided for the Service of Ireland.

Ordered, That the Report now made by Mr. Pym, shall be confirmed by Order of this House: And that it be re-committed to the same Committee, to draw the same Report into the Form of an Order, to pass both Houses.

Loan from Merchant Adventurers.

Ordered, That Sir Hen. Mildmy, Sir Tho. Barrington, and Sir Edw. Hungerford, do move the Merchants Adventurers, for the other Twenty thousand Pounds, with what Speed and Expedition they can.

Meal for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor of London, be desired, from this House, to give Licence for the Transporting of a Thousand Barrels of Meal from London into Ireland.

City Forces, &c.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this shall be the Addition to the former Order, made 15° Januarii, concerning the Sheriffs of London; viz.

"And it is further Ordered, That the said Sheriffs of London and Midd', or either of them, shall, in like manner, from time to time, issue forth such Ammunition of Powder, Bullet, and Match, out of the Magazine or Store-house for the City of London, for such Companies, as are raised and commanded upon Service, out of or from the said Cities, such Quantities of either of them, as the said Serjeant Major Skippon shall direct and appoint, signified under his Hand, unto any One or both of the said Sheriffs of London and Midd', for the Service aforesaid."

Ship with Arms, &c.

Sir Jo. Clatworthy informed the House of a Ship newly fallen down the River with Arms and Ammunition; and very suspicious, it is intended to supply the Rebels in Ireland.

Ordered, That he go to the Lord Admiral, for to stay the said Ship, and make Search for Arms, &c.

Committees added.

Ordered, That Mr. Martyn, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Mr. Philip Smith, Mr. Rob. Goodwyn, Sir Samuel Luke, shall be added to the Committee appointed to take Informations.

Arms, &c. at Fox-hall.

Sir Jo. Evelyn reports, That the Lords had appointed Three Lords, to see the Arms, and Ammunition, and Ordnance at Fox-hall, removed to London; as also, the Arms at Lambeth-house, and at the Archbishop of York's House: And, for the Ordnance there belonging to the King, they have given Direction to the Lord Newporte, to take care thereof: And, for the latter Part of the Message, they would send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Adjournment; and Committee to sit at Grocers-hall.

Mr. Fines is to go to the Lords with this Message; To acquaint their Lordships with the Purpose of this House, to adjourn till Thursday next at Eight of the Clock in the Morning; and that, in the meantime, this House hath enabled a Committee, with Power to sit in London, at Grocers-hall, to consider of the Safety of the Kingdom, and of maintaining the Privileges of Parliament; and a large Power to proceed in the Affairs of Ireland; besides, they have appointed the Committee, for Irish Affairs, to sit there also; and so doth leave it to their Lordships to do the like, if they please; and, if they approve hereof, that they would give like Power to their Committees: And to desire, that the Committee, appointed to take Examinations upon Oath, may sit there also; and that the Committee, appointed to consider of the Breach of Privilege, may sit there also: And, lastly, to put their Lordships in mind, to hasten the Scoche Propositions, which remains with them; and the Bill, for Contribution:

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Whitlock, Lord Falkland, Sir Philip Stapilton, Mr. Fines, Sir Ralph Hopton, Sir John Hotham, Sir Walter Erle, Sir Robert Coke, Sir Tho. Walsingham, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Perepoint, Mr. Walter Long, Sir Richard Cave, Sir Edward Hungerford, Mr. Grimston, Sir Christopher Wraye, Sir Ben. Rudiard, Sir John Hippesley, Mr. Herbert Price, Sir Jo. Wraye, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Wheeler, Sir Wm. Litton;

It is this Day Ordered, by the Commons House of Parliament, That the House shall be adjourned unto Thursday Morning Eight of Clock: And that the same Committee, which was appointed by this House to sit at Guildhall, shall meet To-morrow Morning at Grocers-hall, at Eight of Clock: And all, that will come, are to have Voices: And shall have Power to consider, resolve, declare, publish, act, and put in Execution, all Things, that may concern the Good and Safety of the King, the Kingdom, Parliament, and the Members thereof, and the City of London, and those that have guarded, assisted, and entertained them; and concerning the Privileges of the House, and the Vindicating of them; and also concerning the Examinations touching the Injuries done to the Citizens at Whitehall, and elsewhere, and by whom: As also to inquire out, who those Persons were, that came to the House of Commons in that hostile Manner; and to perfect the Examinations already taken concerning the same: And to inquire, what Forces have of late been raised, or endeavoured to be raised; by whom, by what Authority; and to what End: And, further, to consider of such Propositions as may be necessary for the speedy putting of the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence: And shall likewise take into Consideration those Heads, which have been propounded at the Grand Committee, which was appointed to consider of the Ways and Means of removing the present Distempers: And shall have Power to add to them any other, or more Heads: And to find out the Causes of the present Distempers and Disorders; and to find out the best Ways and Means to remove them to the Honour, Peace, Safety, and Happiness of the King and Kingdom; and to frame, or perfect, any Declaration for that Purpose: And shall have Power likewise to consider of some Way, how the Protestation may be tendered, and taken, throughout the Kingdom: And shall have Power likewise to consider, resolve, direct, or do any thing that may be for the Good and Relief of Ireland, and the Affairs thereof: And shall have Power to advise and consult with, or examine any Person or Persons, touching the Premises, or any of them: And shall have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, or Records; and to take order for the safe Custody of such Persons as they shall find Cause: And also shall have Power to make Sub-committees of any of those that shall be present, though they be not particularly named in this Order: And likewise shall have Power to confer with any Committee of the Lords House.

Committees to sit in London.

Ordered, That the Committee, for Delinquents, where Mr. Greene hath the Chair; for the Navy; and for the Examination of Captain Legg; shall have Power to sit in London, as such Time and Place as they shall think fit.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs; and the Committee appointed to meet with the Committee of the Lords, touching the Breach of Privileges, and Petition to his Majesty; shall have Power to sit in London likewise, at such Time and Place as the Lords shall appoint.

Adjournment of Parliament.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to sit at Grocers-hall shall consider how, and in what Manner, the House may adjourn itself to any Place from Westminster; and to search Precedents to that Purpose; and to confer with the Lords about it.

Impeachment of the Bishops.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Robert Rich and Mr. Page:

We are commanded by the Lords to let you know that the Twelve Bishops, impeached by this House of High Treason and formerly commanded to put in their Answer this Day, are there ready to be called in: And the Lords have sent notice to this House to be there present; either by the House, or a Committee, as they shall think fit.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and has resolved, That some Members of this House, as a Committee, shall be present to hear their Answers.

Mr. Glyn, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Sam. Browne, Mr. Rigbey, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Palmer, Mr. Whistler, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. White, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Hill, Mr. Grimston, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Peard, Mr. Bagshaw;

This Committee is appointed to be present in the Lords House, at the Twelve Bishops Answer to the Impeachment of the House of Commons.

Answer, &c. from the King.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords have received his Majesty's Answer to some Propositions, sent unto his Majesty from the Lords, by the Duke of Richmond; and likewise; his Majesty's Message, delivered by the Lord Keeper; as followeth:

His Majesty's Answer to the Message, delivered to his Majesty in Writing, dated 15 Januarii, 1641, by the Duke of Richmond.

1. As concerning His Majesty's Royal Assent to the Bill for the Adjourning of the Parliament from Westminster to London, or any other Place, his Majesty saith, that he will take further Time to consider of it.

2. His Majesty hath already signed a Warrant to the Master of the Ordnance, for Issuing of Provisions of Munition for Ulster, as is hereby desired:

3. And, as touching the Securing of Hull, His Majesty conceives He hath formerly given a satisfactory Answer.

The King commanded the Lord Keeper to let the House of Parliament know, that there hath been much Powder, Arms, and Ammunition issued out, for the Safety of Ireland: And his Majesty hopes the Houses will take a care the Stores be replenished, for the Security and Defence of this Kingdom.

Distressed Irish.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to collect Monies of the Members of this House, for the Relief of the poor distressed Irish, that are come out of Ireland, shall have Power to pay, out of those Monies, Three hundred Pounds to Sir Wm. Brereton and Mr. Venables, upon Account, to be disposed of for the Relief of the distressed Irish, as aforesaid.

Suppressing Tumults.

Ordered, That the Knights, Citizens, Burgesses, and Barons of the Cinque Ports respectively, shall send these printed Orders, concerning the Suppressing of Tumults, into all the Counties, Cities, Boroughs, and Cinque Ports, to be published in all the Market Towns thereof.

Foreign Bullion, &c.

The humble Petition of Merchants and Goldsmiths, Traders to his Majesty's Mint with Foreign Bullion and Coin, was this Day read; and avowed by Derrich Hoper, and divers others, who subscribed the Petition.

And Sir Henry Vane junior is ordered to carry up this Petition unto the Lords; and to acquaint their Lordships, that this House has received this Petition from such Merchants, of whom some particular Men of them, as this House is informed, have sometimes in their Hands a Hundred thousand Pounds, trading to his Majesty's Mint with foreign Bullion and Coin; and that 'tis expected, that a Million should speedily come into their Hands: And that the present Lieutenant is a Man unknown unto them; and therefore one whom they cannot confide in: And thereupon to renew the Desires of this House, that the Lords will join with them in a Petition to his Majesty, for the Putting in of Sir John Conniers; or else, to let their Lordships know, That if any thing otherwise than well happen upon this Business, that the House of Commons is free from it, and it must rest with the Lords.

Declaration to Scotch Commissioners.

Sir Philip Stapleton reports the Declaration to be returned to the Scotsh Commissioners, in hæc Verba.

"The House of Commons, having considered both That Paper, given in to them from the Scottish Commissioners upon Saturday last, as likewise their Advice lately given to his Majesty, by occasion of these present Troubles, which, at the Intreaty of the said House, they have communicated to them; and, finding therein a large Testimony of Fidelity to the King, of Affection to this State, and of Wisdom, for the Honour, Security, and Peace of his Majesty and Kingdoms; doth hereby declare, That they have herein done That which is not only very acceptable to this House, but likewise That which is of great Advantage to both Nations: And therefore have Ordered, That Sir Philip Stapleton, Mr. Hampden, Mr. Fynes, Mr. Pym, Mr. Arthur Goodwyn, Mr. Longe, Sir H. Vane junior, or any Three of them, shall return them very hearty and affectionate Thanks, in the Name of this House: And this House doth further desire them, that, according to their Affections already expressed, they will continue their Care and Endeavours to remove the present Distractions amongst us; as also to preserve and confirm the Union between the Two Nations, so happily begun."

State of the Kingdom.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Whittlock called to the Chair: And

The Committee proceeded to consider the Causes of the now Distempers, and the Remedies, according to a former Order.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Fynes brings Answer from the Lords, That their Lordships would take into Consideration, the Expediting of the Bill concerning the Contribution, and the Scotsh Propositions; and that, for the other particular Desires of this House, their Lordships do agree with this House in them all.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Committee, appointed to sit in Grocers-hall, London, shall have express Order to cause so much Monies to be paid forthwith to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, or to such whom he shall appoint, as shall be due for the Pay and Transport of the Lord Lieutenant's Regiment, now at Chester; and to provide likewise for the Supply of Duncannon Castle.

Ordered, That Two hundred of those Men already levied, under the Command of Colonel Vavisor, be forthwith sent over for the Relief of Duncannon Castle, in the Province of Lemster: And that Two hundred Men more shall be levied, to supply those Numbers, of Men formerly designed for the Supply of Munster.

Ordered, That, the Merchants Adventurers shall have Interest for the Forbearance of such Monies as they shall lend, after the Rate of Eight Per Cent. from the First of January last, until their Monies shall be paid and satisfied.

Ordered, That Twenty thousand Pounds shall be paid out of the First Monies that shall come in from the Merchants Adventurers, or elsewhere, to the Treasurer at War for Ireland, or to Mr. Nico. Loftus Esquire his Assignee, to be issued forth by the said Treasurer, or his Assignee, in Pursuance and Execution of such Orders and Warrants as have been already agreed upon by the Committee for Irish Affairs, and this House.

Ordered, That Sir H. Mildmay shall, from this House, desire the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and the Lord Marshal of Ireland, to appoint a short Day, when they will certainly repair to their several and respective Charges in Ireland; and that their Answer be returned to the Committee at Grocers-hall: And likewise to move the Lord Lieutenant presently to assign Officers to carry over the Two hundred Men designed for Duncannon Castle.

Ordered, That, out of the Twenty thousand Pounds, allotted to be paid to the Treasurer at Wars for Ireland, or to Nic. Loftus his Assignee, so much Monies shall be issued to the Burgesses of Bristoll, upon Account, as shall be necessary for the Furnishing, and Setting forth to Sea, Two Men of War, to lie upon the Coast of Munster: And the said Burgesses are hereby required to employ their best Endeavours, that the Ships be presently set forth accordingly.

Information against Serj. Dendy.

Ralph Hope, being at the Bar, informeth the House of Commons, That 4° January instant, Serjeant Dendy came to Mr. Weekes' House, at the Gatehouse; and inquired of him, if Mr. Hollis lay there: Whereupon he asked the Serjeant, what his Business was: The Serjeant bid him tell him his Name: He answered, If he would tell him his Business, he would tell him his Name: Whereupon he said, "I charge you, upon your Life, tell me where Mr. Hollis is; for he is a Traytor. How dares Mr. Weeks lodge a Traytor in his House." He said, he must have him, and would have him; for he was a Traytor.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Dendy, Serjeant at Arms, shall be forthwith sent forth, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.

Person sent for in Custody.

Whereas Information was this Day given to the House by Mr. Crumwell and Mr. Walton, Members of the said House, of Words spoken by a Gentleman of Huntingtonshire, of a high and dangerous Nature: It is Ordered, That Mr. Speaker shall grant forth his Warrant, to bring the Gentleman in safe Custody that spake the Words; and likewise an Order to summon the Informer; their Names being first made known unto him by Mr. Crumwell, and Mr. Walton.

Impeachment of the Bishops.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords have taken the Answers of the several Bishops to the Impeachment made by this House of High Treason; to which they have pleaded Not guilty: And the Lords have appointed To-morrow Sevennight for their Trial.

Ordered, That the Committee, appointed to consider of the Impeachment of the Twelve Bishops, shall meet at what Time and Place they shall think fit; and consider of that Business; and bring in their Resolutions thereupon to the House on Thursday Morning next.

By Vote upon the Question, the House doth adjourn itself till Thursday Morning next, at Eight of the Clock.