House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 28 January 1642

Pages 401-402

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, 28 Januarii, 1641.


The Protestation.

ORDERED, That the like Letter, concerning the Protestation, as was signed by Mr. Speaker, and sent to the several Sheriffs, shall be signed, and sent to the Mayors and Head Officers of all Cities, Boroughs, and Towns Corporate.

Parliament Guards.

Ordered, That Sir Gilbert Gerard, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Pury, Sir Arth. Ingram, Mr. Cage, Sir Jo. Hippesley, Sir M. Lister, do consider how the Trained Bands of London and Midd', that attend the Parliament, may be furnished with Ammunition: And it is referred to this Committee, to examine who it was that gave the Affront to the Guards Yesterday, and Serjeant Major Skippon.

Ordered, That if any Footmen, or other Persons whatsoever, shall offer any Affront or Abuse to the Guard appointed to attend this House, that the Guard shall apprehend such Person, and bring him to this House, to receive condign Punishment.

And it is likewise Ordered, That no Footman, that belongs to any Member of this House, or to any other, shall come up the Stairs of this House, or stand on the Stairs.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Sir John Potts shall name those Persons that spoke something tending to the Encouragement of Footmen to abuse the Guards that attend this House.

Sir Jo. Potts said, that, going out Yesterday, one said, that it was a Footman that had offered an Affront to the Guard. Some said, it was fit they were laid by the Heels: "If it be my Footman," said a noble Lord of this House, "If it be my Footman, lay him by the Heels:" Then Mr. Sandys said, "If it be my Footman, lay him not by the Heels."

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr. Bennet;

The Lords having received a Message from his Majesty, inclosed in a Letter to the Lord Keeper, they have sent you a Copy of the Letter, and the Message: They have likewise agreed to an Order, concerning Serjeant Major Skippon, and the Sheriffs of London; which they have likewise sent to this House: They have appointed, at the Rising of this House, this Afternoon, a Committee to meet upon the Accusation against the Twelve Bishops.

Privilege in a Suit.

Ordered, That Mr. Bodvile shall have the Privilege of Parliament for himself, and his Under-tenants, in a Suit commenced by Ejectione Firmæ by the Prosecution, and under the Title of Tho. Barrett, or his Assigns, concerning the Castle and Demesne Lands of the Manor of Langharne, in the County of Carmarthen; and that the Proceedings in that Suit be stayed.


King's Answer to Scotch Propositions.

RIGHT trusty, and right well-beloved Counsellor, We greet you well: We have, here inclosed, now sent Our farther and full Answer to the Third Article presented by the Scotts Commissioners, concerning the auxiliary Forces to be sent out of Scotland into Our Kingdom of Ireland: Which Our Will and Pleasure is, that you forthwith deliver, to be read in Parliament: For which this shall be your Warrant. Given at Our Court at Windesore, Januarii 27, 1641.

To Our right trusty and right well-beloved Counsellor, Edw. Lord Littleton, Keeper of Our Great Seal of England.

AFTER that His Majesty had Yesterday sent his Opinion, concerning the Articles with the Scotts Commissioners gave in, touching the present Supplies to be sent into Ireland, they themselves waited on Him; their chief Errand being the very same Business: Whereupon His Majesty thought it fit to persuade them, as much as He could, to alter the Third Article, because he conceived it might be a Prejudice to the Crown of England; the Particulars whereof were too long to relate; their only Argument that weighed with Him being, that since it was agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament, and that the Strength of his Majesty's Argument was, that That Article implied too great a Trust for auxiliary Forces, they were in good Hope, that their Majesty, being their natural King, would not shew less Trust in them than their Neighbour Nation: So that the Question being merely of Trust, and that both Houses of Parliament have thought fit to grant it, though His Majesty could wish, that That Third Article were drawn more for the Advantage of the Crown of England than he conceives it is, His Majesty cannot but wholly admit of the Advice of his Parliament in this Particular; especially since his Majesty perceives, that insisting upon the same would breed a great Delay in the necessary Supply of His Kingdom of Ireland.

Copia vera.

John Bromne, Cler' Par.'

City Forces,&c.

It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament; That the Sheriffs of London and Midd', for the time being, do, from time to time, issue out their Warrant or Warrants, for raising such and so many of the Trained Bands, and other Forces, of the City of London and Midd', for the Safety of his Majesty's Person, the Parliament, City of London, and Kingdom, as they, with the Advice of Serjeant Major Skippon, shall, from time to time, give Order for. It is further Ordered, That the said Sheriffs of London and Midd', or any of them, shall, in like manner, from time to time, issue forth such Ammunition of Powder, Bullet, and Match, out of the Magazine or Storehouse for the City of London, for such Companies as are raised and commanded upon Service, out of or from the said City, such Quantities of either of them as the said Major Skippon shall direct and appoint, signified under his Hand, unto any One or both of the said Sheriffs of London and Midd', for the Service aforesaid. And it is likewise Ordered, That the Sheriff of the County of Surrey, by the Advice of Serjeant Major Skippon, shall, from time to time, as oft as Occasion shall require, command forth the Trained Bands of the Borough of Southwark, or either of them, for the Safety of his Majesty's Person, the Parliament, City of London, and Kingdom, by issuing their Warrant to the several Captains: and that if any voluntarily offer themselves to be employed in the Services aforesaid, for the Ease of the Trained Bands of London and Midd', they shall then be ordered by Serjeant Major Skippon; but they shall not be compelled to go out of their County.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth agree to this Order, with these Alterations.

Sir F.Fortescue.

Ordered, That Sir Sam. Rolle and Mr. Cary shall recommend Sir Faithfull Fortescue to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, according to the Order Yesterday.

Person to attend.

That Mr. Warrick shall attend the Committee of the Lords and Commons appointed to examine concerning ill Counsellors, to give Satisfaction to the Committee, of such Provisions as have been sent by the Duke of Richmond into Ireland.

Warrants against the Five Members.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Informations to examine by what Authority Warrants were sent into all or any the Ports of England, for the Apprehending of the Five Members of this House impeached; and that Mr. Scroope and Mr. Webb. be sent for, to the same Committee: And that Mr. Cary, Mr. Morley, Sir H. Heyman, and Mr. Whitehead, be added to this Committee.

Ordered, That Sir Nich. Slany be summoned to attend the House presently.

Tonage and Poundage.

2da vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the granting of a Subsidy of Tonage and Poundage, and other Sums of Money, payable upon Merchandize exported and imported; and, upon Question, committed unto a Committee of the whole House: And are to meet upon it this Afternoon, at Two of Clock.

Stay of Ships at Bristoll.

That Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Mr. Rigby, Sir Hugh Owen, Mr. Whitlock, and the Burgesses of Bristoll, shall prepare a Letter and Instructions, to be sent to the Mayors of Bristoll and Pembroke, to make Stay of the Ships, and Goods, and Persons of the Merchants of Wexford, &c. And that this Letter and Instructions be sent Post immediately to Bristoll and Pembroke, by an express Messenger.

Irish Affairs, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to meet the Lords Committee, concerning the King's Answer to the Scotts Propositions, shall have Power to consider of the Letters and Examinations, taken the Eighteenth of January Instant, before the Mayor of Pembroke, concerning the Affairs of Ireland; and the Examination of Mr. Newman, that lately came from Rochell: And to have further Power to consider of any thing else that may conduce to the Peace and Safety of the Kingdom: And that a Message do go to the Lords, to desire their Lordships to enlarge the like Power to their Committee: And Mr. Hampden is to go to the Lords with this Message; and to deliver these Letters and Examinations to the Lords.

Committee to attend the King.

Sir Jo. Holland, Sir Rob. Cooke, Sir Edw. Partridge, Sir Rob. Parkhurst;

This Committee is appointed this Day to go to Windsor and wait upon his Majesty; and to desire an Answer from his Majesty to the Petition of this House, presented to his Majesty on Wednesday last, concerning the Putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence.

Mr. Pym and Mr. Fynes are appointed presently to withdraw, to prepare a Message in Writing, for these Gentlemen to carry to his Majesty.

Conveying Money to Barwicke.

Ordered, That the Sheriff of Northumberland shall be required to take a special Care in the safe Conveying of The thousand Pounds from Newcastle to Barwicke, for the Use of the Scotts; and that he provide, that there be a strong Guard for the safe Conducting thereof.

Money for Army Service

Ordered, That the Merchants Adventurers shall pay Four thousand Pounds, out of the first Thirty thousand Pounds by them advanced, to Mr. Hampden, Mr. Fynes, Sir Philip Stapleton, and Sir Wm. Armine, upon Account; to be disbursed by them, for the Providing of Victuals; Powder, Bullet, and Match, for the Two thousand five hundred Men, to be sent out of Scotland into Ireland: And their Acquittance shall be a sufficient Discharge for the Payment thereof.


Ordered, That One of the Five Ships prepared by the Merchants, shall be forth with sent to Lough Royall in Scotland, for the Guarding of the Two thousand Five hundred Men by Sea, that are to be sent out of Scotland into Ireland.

Message to the King.

Mr. Fynes reports the Message to be sent unto the King this Day, by the Four Members of this House, appointed this Day to go to his Majesty:

"Your Majesty's most humble and faithful Subjects, the House of Commons, have sent us humbly to beseech Your Majesty, in their Name, that You will be pleased, with as much Speed as conveniently You may, to return an Answer to that Petition which was presented unto Your Majesty on their Behalf on Monday last, concerning the Forts and the Trained Bands of the Kingdom; the Motives whereby they were induced to address that Petition unto Your Majesty, being very much increased and enforced, by late Advertisements which they have received, of many dangerous Designs, and great Preparations, by the Rebels of Ireland, to make this Kingdom the Seat of the War; as likewise of great Forces both by Sea and Land, in some of the neighbouring Parts, which, as they have been informed, are probably intended against this Kingdom: And, till they shall understand Your Majesty's Answer to that Petition, they know not in what Way to dispose themselves for the Defence of your Royal Person and your Realms; which, according to their Duty, they shall be ready to do with the utmost Hazard of their Persons and Estates: And, that they may be the better enabled thereunto, do likewise beseech Your Majesty to pass the Bill for a speedy Contribution and Loan towards the Relief of his Majesty's distressed Subjects of the Kingdom of Ireland, if Your Majesty have not taken Order for the Passing thereof."

This Message was read, and assented unto.

Proceedings concerning the Five Members.

Ordered, That the Information given concerning Sir Nicholas Slaning sending his Letter to some Ports of Cornewall, for the Apprehending or Staying of any the Five Members of this House impeached, be referred to the Committee for Information: And that Mr. John Trefusis be written unto, by Mr. Cary, to acquaint this House, what he does know concerning this Business; and to examine the Truth of the Fact.

They are likewise to receive any other Information concerning that Business.

Delivery of Knockfergus to the Scotts.

Ordered, That Mr. George and Mr. Wheeler do move the Lord Keeper, from this House, that a Commission may be prepared, for the Delivery of the Town of Knockfergus, in the Kingdom of Ireland, unto the Scotts, according to the Articles of the Treaty consented unto by his Majesty and his Parliament; and that the Clerk appointed to prepare the Commission, may resort to the Scotts Commissioners, to receive some Directions from them; and that a Draught of the Commission be sent to the House, before it pass the Seal.

Mr. George brings Answer, That the Lord Keeper would willingly take Order in these Particulars, desired by the Message.

Duke of Richmond.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to desire a Conference concerning the Duke of Richmond, upon the Three Heads debated in the House; and that a Committee be appointed to prepare Heads for that Conference.

Mr. Glyn, Mr. Hollys, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Arth. Goodwyn, Serjeant Wilde, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Strode, Mr. Lisle, are appointed to prepare Heads for this Conference, and to manage the same.

Securing Recusants.

Ordered, That, by Monday next, the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, shall bring in the Names of those Places that they desire the Persons of those Recusants named in the Act, to be secured in; and that, at the same time, they bring in the Names of such Recusants as they desire more to be inserted into the Act.

Tonage and Poundage.

Ordered, That it be referred to a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the Bill of Tonage and Poundage: And they are to meet presently upon it.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Hampden brings Answer, That the Lords had referred the Letters and Examinations to the Committee appointed to consider his Majesty's Answer to the Scotts Proposition, concerning Knockfergus; and that they had enlarged the Power of that Committee in the same manner as this House had done.

Letter to Sheriff of Hantshire.

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Lewis do draw a Letter, to be sent to the Sheriff of Hantshire, to require him to acquaint this House, what Declarations, or other Papers, he has received to be published in that County; and by what Authority.


Ordered, That all other Committees shall sit, notwithstanding that the Committee of the whole House does sit.