House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 07 March 1642

Pages 469-470

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Lunæ, 7 Martii, 1641.


Leave of Absence.

RESOLVED, upon the Question, That Mr. Noell and Sir Tho. Heale, shall have Liberty to go into the Country.

Cambridge University.

Ordered, That these Certificates returned from the University of Cambridge, concerning the Proceedings there, in the Taking of the Protestation, be referred to the Committee for the Universities, where Sir Ro. Harley has the Chair.

Tumults in Durham.

There was a Letter read, from the Justices of Peace of the County of Durham, that gave an Account of the Proceedings of the Justices of Peace of that County, concerning the Taking of the Protestation in that County, and that all there but Papists have taken it; it likewise informed the House, of a riotous Multitude of People that are assembled, upon Pretence of Pulling down of Inclosures; wherein they desire some Directions from this House, in regard the Justices of Peace have used their Authority, but have been beaten off.

Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Sam. Browne, * Blackiston, are appointed to prepare an Order for the Suppressing of the tumult . . Rising of some Multitudes of People in the County of Durham, upon Pretence of Pulling down Inclosures; and bring it into the House To-morrow Morning: And likewise, that the Petition from the County of Durham, against the High Sheriff of that County, is referred likewise to them, for their better Information in this Business.

Durham Franchise.

Ordered, That Sir Tho. Widdrington do report the Bill for the Knights and Burgesses of that County, on Tuesday come Fortnight next.

Salop Petition.

The House being informed that divers Gentlemen of the County of Salop were at the Door, that desired to present a Petition to this House;

They were called in; and did present their Petition.

They then withdrew.

And their * * * *

"The House finds your Petition full of Expressions of publick Care and Affections to the Commonwealth, and to this House in particular."

Letter read.

A Letter of the Twenty-seventh of February 1641 was read: And

Ordered, That it be forthwith published in Print.

Irish Propositions.

Ordered, That some Gentlemen of the Long Robe do presently withdraw, to consider of the Bill for the Irish Propositions.

Relief of Curtis.

Ordered, That Mr. Wheeler do pay the Sum of Ten Pounds to Lieutenant Jo. Curtis, whose Estate is in the Rebels Hands, towards his Relief, out of the Contribution Money collected for the Relief of those distressed Protestants that are come out of Ireland.

Young's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of John Young, Clerk, be referred to the Committee. . . .

Sidway's, &c. Petitions.

That the humble Petition of John Sidway be referred to the Committee for Contributions.

The Petition of Henry Crispe, Clerk, be referred to the Committee for Contributions.

Book of Rates.

The House, according to the Order of Saturday, was resolved into a Committee to consider of the Books of Rates.

Mr. Greene was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker re-assumed the same.


Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leeche and Dr. Bennet;

The Lords have sent them to let this House know, that they do agree with them in the Declaration.

Sending Declaration to the King.

Ordered, That Mr. Carew shall go to the Lords so soon as they are set, to desire them to consider of some Way of sending the Declaration to the King, by Committees of both Houses.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair: And

Mr. Greene was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair: And

Mr. Greene was called again to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker re-assumed the Chair.

Letter, &c. from Plymouth.

A Letter from the Mayor of Plimouth, dated 4° Martii, read; and also the Examination of the Dean of Rosse, in Ireland, taken the same Day.

Ordered, That Sir Antho. Irby do go to the Lords with a Message, and to acquaint them with the Letter from the Mayor of Plimouth, and the Examination of the Dean of Rosse, in Ireland; and to desire the Lord Admiral to take care for the Disposing of the Ship with Arms, there stayed.

Person to attend.

Ordered, That Mr. Halsey and Mr. Luckin be summoned forthwith to attend this House.


The Question being put, Whether it should be referred to the Committee of the Navy, to consider of his Majesty's Desire to have the Prince Royal go to Sea this Summer, instead of Two other Ships already designed for that Purpose;

The House was divided.

Sir Wm. Lewis, Appointed Tellers for the Yea.
Mr. Ar. Goodwyn,
Mr. Martyn, Appointed Tellers for the Noe.
Mr. Hampden,

Mr. Hampden reports, That the Yeas that went out, were 72; The Noes that stayed in, 63.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it be referred to the Committee for the Navy, to consider of his Majesty's Desire to have the Prince Royal go to Sea this Summer, instead of Two other Ships already designed for that Purpose.

Making Powder.

Ordered, That the Committee to whom the Business of furnishing this Kingdom with Powder is referred, shall call Mr. Cordell before them, and know what Powder he has now in his Hands; and what he can make weekly: and at what Rates; and take some Course that whatsoever Quantity he can make may be ready for the Service of the Kingdom; and not disposed of without the Directions of this House: And that the Committee sit To-morrow, at Eight of Clock; and do give an Account, of their Proceedings on Wednesday Morning next.

Sending Declaration to the King.

Mr. Carew brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to send Two Earls, and Two Barons, with the Declaration to his Majesty: And do desire that this House would appoint a proportionable Number.

Sir Ph. Stapilton, Mr. Nath. Fienis, Sir Wm. Strickland, Sir H. Mildmay, Sir Wm. Lewis, Sir Wm. Litton, Sir Wm. Playters, Sir Edm. Montefort, are appointed to go with the Lords to his Majesty with this Declaration.

Message to the King.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it be referred unto Mr. Hampden, Mr. Pierepoint, Sir H. Vane, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Fienis, Mr. Pym, Mr. Holles, Mr. Strode, Sir Ph. Stapilton, to withdraw presently, to prepare a Message to be sent unto his Majesty, to present him Reasons for his speedy coming near unto his Parliament; and that they present it to the House.

Lords to sit.

Sir Ro. Harley is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them to sit awhile, in regard this House conceives they shall have Occasion to come unto them upon some great Occasions of the Kingdom.


Ordered, That the Sheriffs take care that no Man speak with these Prisoners now come out of the West Country, but in the Presence of their Keepers.

Examining Lathome.

Ordered, That the Committee for Examining of Lathome be revived; to sit To-morrow Morning, at Eight of Clock, in the usual Place.

Marquis of Argile's Commission.

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Words, "well approving of the said Choice," be struck out of the Marquis of Argile's Commission.

Persons going to Ireland, &c.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of Scotland shall be desired to move the Council of Scotland, that no English or Irish may pass through Scotland into Ireland, but such as have Passes under the Secretary's Hand of England, or the Secretary's of Scotland, and that those English now stayed in Scotland may be sent to Berwick and Carlell, to be examined there.

Attorney General.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leeche and Dr. Bennett;

The Lords are now ready to proceed in the Cause against Mr. Attorney General.

Naval Affairs.

Ordered, That Mr. Martyn and Mr. Carew do move the Lord Admiral to send Directions to Sir Jo. Penington, forthwith to come to the Downes, with the rest of the Ships that transported the Queen over into Holland.

Suspected Persons.

Ordered, That a Warrant shall be sent to the Constables and other his Majesty's Officers, for the Apprehending of all suspected Irish Officers and other Soldiers, that they shall find within the Cities of Westminster and London.

Sir E. Coke's Books.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it shall be referred to Mr. Bridgeman, Mr. Prideaux, and Mr. Hill to draw a Bill for the Licensing of Sir Edw. Coke's Books; and for the Preventing the Re-printing of them, for a Time certain, to be assigned in the Bill.

Distribution of Money.

Whereas it appeared by a Report from the Committee for Contributions, that upon References from this House, they had thought fit to bestow upon Mr. Ro. Cole, a Minister, Ten Pounds; Mr. Gilbert Seabrooke, a Minister, Twenty Pounds; Four Fellows of Trinity College in Dublyn, Forty Pounds; Mrs. Macarthy, Ten Pounds; this House doth allow of these Distributions; and ordered them to be paid by Mr. Wheeler and Mr. Rous, accordingly.

The Protestation.

Ordered, That the Burgesses of Canterbury shall send down the Protestation to the Mayor, to be by him tendered to the Dean and Chapter of Christ Church, Canterbury; and to the Inhabitants within the Precincts of that Church; and to the Inhabitants of all the dissolved Religious Houses that pretended to be exempted from the Jurisdiction of the said City.

Provisions to Hull, &c.

The King's Purveyors were called in: Mr. Speaker asked them, what Directions they had received for the sending Provisions to Hull:- They answered, they had no Directions to send Provisions to Hull; but they had an Order to make Provisions for New-markett, at the Beginning of the last Week; but none since.

Book of Rates.

Ordered, That the Grand Committee for the Book of Rates shall sit To-morrow Morning, at Eight of the Clock, until Mr. Speaker shall come.

Corn for for Ireland.

Ordered, That Peter Fountaine, Merchant, shall have Liberty to transport Corn from Caen in Normandie, to Dublyn in Ireland; giving good Security that he will not sell it to any of the Rebels there. He is likewise injoined to bring Certificate from the Officers of the Port where he shall land it.

Powder for Carnarvon.

Ordered, That the Officers of the Port at Chester shall permit the Powder stayed by them there, and bought at London for the Service of the County of Carnarvon, to pass; and to be delivered to Mr. Griffith and Mr. Glyn, or such as they shall appoint for the Use of that County.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Antho. Irby brings Answer, That the Lords will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Mr. Attorney.

Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leeche and Dr. Bennett;

That they have appointed to proceed against Mr. Attorney To-morrow, at One of the Clock.

St. Giles in, the Fields Lecturer.

The Question being put, whether Mr. Coleman should be now recommended to be Lecturer at St. Giles in the Fields, according to the Desire of the Petitioners;

The House was divided.

Mr. Cromwell, Appointed Tellers for the Yea, 49.
Mr. Blakeston,
Lord Buckhurst, Tellers for the Noe. 59.
Lord Compton,

Resolved negatively.

Reasons for the King to return.

Mr. Pym reports the Motives and Reasons to desire the King to reside nearer his Parliament: Which being read, were, upon the Question, assented unto: And Mr. Pym went up with the same to the Lords, to desire their Concurrence therein.

Bill from Lords.

Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leeche and Dr. Bennett;

The Lords have sent us with this Bill, intitled, An Act of Parliament * * * *

Securing Recusants.

Ordered, That Mr. Sam. Browne and Mr. Lisle do prepare a Bill for securing the Persons of Recusants; and present the same to the House on Wednesday Morning.


Ordered, That Mr. Prideaux and Mr. Lisle do peruse the Statute for confining Recusants Convict, and present an Order thereupon, fit for this House to send to the several Counties, to see the said Statute put in Execution.

Reasons for the King to return.

Mr. Pym reporteth the Lords do agree to the Reasons sent up for moving the King to come nearer his Parliament; and to be delivered by the same Messengers.

E. of Argile's Commission.

Mr. Hampden brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Amendments in the Commission for the Earl of Argile.

Receivers of Money for Ireland.

Mr. Reynolds brings Answer; The Lords have agreed to the Order to the Four Citizens to receive the Monies upon the Irish Propositions; and to the Form of Acquittances.

Reasons for the King to return.

THE Lords and Commons have commanded us to present unto your Majesty this further Addition to their former Declaration, That your Majesty's Return and Continuance near the Parliament, is a Matter, in their Apprehension, of so great Necessity and Importance, towards the Preservation of Your Royal Person and Your Kingdoms, that they cannot think they have discharged their Duty, in the single Expression of their Desire, unless they had some further Reasons to back it with.

1. Your Majesty's Absence will cause Men to believe, that it is out of Design to discourage the Undertakers, and hinder the other Propositions, for raising Money for Defence of Ireland.

2. It will very much hearten the Rebels and disaffected Persons in this Kingdom, as being an Evidence and Effect of the Jealousy and Division between Your Majesty and Your People.

3. That it will much weaken and withdraw the Affection of the Subject from Your Majesty, without which a Prince is deprived of his chiefest Strength and Lustre, and left naked to the greatest Danger and Miseries that can be imagined.

4. That it will invite and encourage the Enemies of Religion and the State, in Foreign Parts, to the Attempting and Acting of their evil Designs and Intentions towards us.

5. That it causeth a great Interruption in the Proceedings of Parliament.

These Considerations threaten so great Danger to Your Majesty's Person, and to all Your Dominions, that as Your Majesty's Great Council, they hold it necessary to represent to You this their faithful Advice, that so, whatsoever followeth, they may be excused before God and Man.