House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 02 April 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 2 Aprilis, 1642.


Delivery of Powder.

ORDERED, That Mr. Cordwell shall have Liberty to deliver such Powder as he is contracted with for, into such Hands as the Lord Mayor, Court of Aldermen, and Common Council, shall appoint, to be safe kept, notwithstanding any former Order of Restraint.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Allanson and Mr. Nutt shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Leave to go to Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Lord Liste shall have Liberty to go into Ireland; and, notwithstanding; still remain a Member of this House.

Tower Guard, &c.

Ordered, That it be referred to Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Wheeler, and Cap. Ven, to consider of the Accounts and Monies due to the Supernumerary Guard that was placed in the Tower the last Summer, upon Order of this House; and to think of some Course for satisfying them such Monies as shall appear to be due upon their Accounts; and likewise to consider what Service they did there; and whether they attended that Duty was required of them: And to speak to the Lieutenant of the Tower, concerning the State of that Place; and whether any Addition will be necessary: And to think of some Course, that the Hamletters may be in Readiness to do their Service upon Occasion; and likewise, that they may be trained and exercised accordingly.

Magazine at Hull.

Ordered, That the Lords be moved to join with this House, that Sir Jo. Hotham be authorized, by both Houses of Parliament, to suffer the Powder, Arms, Ordnance, and Ammunition, that are in the Magazine at Hull, to be embarked, except so much of the same as shall be necessary for the Defence of that Town and the County of Yorke: And that the Master of the Ordnance be desired, that some of the Officers of the Ordnance may be appointed to be at Hull, to see the said Arms and Ammunition embarked; and to take an Inventory of the same: And that the Lord Admiral be desired to take care, that the said Arms and Ammunition may be embarked: And that good Convoys may be provided to conduct the said Ships and Arms.

Deputy Lieutenants.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of the Deputy Lieutenants presented for the County of Rutland: And doth order, that Sir Guy Palmes shall be recommended to be a Deputy Lieutenant for the County of Rutland.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of those additional Deputy Lieutenants presented for the County Westmarland: And Ordered, That Sir Robert Strictland be recommended to be added to be a Deputy Lieutenant for that County.

Resolved, &c. That Tho. Rolt Esquire be recommended to be a Deputy Lieutenant for the County of Bedford.


Mr. Pierrepoint carried up to the Lords the Vote concerning the putting the Ordinance touching the Militia, forthwith into Execution: And likewise the Order concerning the Ammunition at Hull: And likewise the Deputy Lieutenants for the County of Rutland, the additional Deputy Lieutenants for Westmorland; together with such...are recommended.

Ordered, That Sir H. Vane and Mr. Pym do prepare a Letter to be sent from Mr. Speaker, in the Name of the whole House to the Lords Justices of Ireland; and therein to take Notice of their Fidelity, Care, and Industry; and to express what Sense this House has of their Service: And that they likewise prepare a Letter to be sent to the Earl of Ormond, to take notice of his good Service; and return him Thanks for it; and encourage him to proceed: And to desire him to return the Thanks of this House to Sir Henry Tichbourne, for the good Service he has done.

Prisoner discharged.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Dr. Piers, Doctor in the Civil Law, sent for, as a Delinquent by a former Order of this House, and now in the Serjeant's Custody, shall be forthwith discharged from any farther Restraint.

Irish Commission.

The Lord Falkland acquaints the House, that he has received, returned from his Majesty, the Commission for the Affairs of Ireland; and the Instructions annexed thereunto; with his Majesty's immediate Warrant for the Passing the Great Seal; the which he received Directions to send forthwith to the Lord Keeper.

King's Message.

According to the Order of Yesterday, the House proceeded upon the Particulars of his Majesty's last Message.

Members not to go out.

Ordered, That no Member shall go out of the House during this Debate, without Leave.

Mr. Speaker propounded this Question, Whether the first Clause of his Majesty's....contained in it Matters that lay causeless Imputations upon the Proceedings of Parliament.

It was formerly propounded with the Word, "Scandal" in it, instead of "causeless Imputation."

And the Question being put, Whether the Word "Scandal" should be in the Question;

The House was divided.
The Yeas went forth.
Sir Ph. Stapilton Tellers for the Noe, 116.
Mr. Holles
Mr. Martin Tellers for the Yea, 53.
Mr. Glyn

Resolved, upon the Question, That there are Matters contained in the first Clause of his Majesty's Message, that lay causeless Imputations upon the Proceedings of Parliament, and are a Breach of the Privilege of the same.

That the Committee shall be directed to consider of his Majesty's Message from Huntington; the Declaration from both Houses preceding That; and the Declaration from his Majesty in Answer to that; and to state the Proceedings upon the Whole; and to bring in the Particulars, that may clear the Votes and Proceedings thereupon.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Perepoint brings this Answer; That, as to That of the Militia, the Lord Keeper said, Their Lordships would presently put in Execution the Ordnance concerning it, according to the former Order: They do agree for the recommending the Deputy Lieutenants: And, for that of Hull, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Magazine at Hull.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Ayloff and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses, at Three of Clock this Afternoon, in the Painted Chambers; at which Time the Lords do sit: Tis concerning the Proposition made by this House for the removing the Magazine at Hull.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Speaker Retires.

Mr. Speaker retired for awhile into the Committee Chamber.

Leave of Absence.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Young shall have Leave to go into the Country.


Ordered, That on Monday Morning next, at Nine of Clock, the Matter of Religion shall be taken into Consideration, according to the former Order: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof; and that no other Business intervene.

King's Message.

Ordered, That this last Message of his Majesty's shall be referred, upon the whole Matter, and all other Passages and Circumstances that may relate unto it, or concern it, unto the same Committee as the last Declaration from his Majesty was referred; with the Addition of Mr. Pierrepoint, Sir H. Vane jun. Mr. Crue, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Hampden, Mr. Holles, Sir Hugh Cholmeley, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Sir Symonds D'Ewes, Mr. Whittacre: And they are to meet on Monday Morning, at Seven of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.


The House, according to the Desire of the Lords, went up to the Conference.

Mr. Pierrepoint, Mr. Pym, Sir H. Vane jun. Sir Peter Wentworth, Sir Simonds D'Ewes, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Ld. Windsore's Arms.

Ordered, That the Lord Windsore's Arms, seized in Worcestershire and Buckinghamshire, by Virtue of the Ordinance of Parliament for disarming of Recusants, be kept in safe Custody, till the House take further Order herein.

Magazine at Hull.

Mr. Pierrepoint reports from the Conference had with the Lords, concerning the removing the Magazine at Hull, That the Lords conceive the Thing fit to be done; but desire that the King may be moved from both Houses, to give Way unto it, upon such Reasons as they shall represent unto him.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

Letter from the King-Command of the Fleet.

The Lords have commanded us to deliver this unto you, which they now received: 'Tis a Letter from his Majesty, in Answer of that Petition was sent unto him the Twenty-eighth of March, concerning the Appointing of one to command this Summer's Fleet, in Chief.

Right Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor, we greet you well.

WE wonder both at the Form and Manner of that inclosed Paper you sent Us, in the Name of both Houses of Parliament, in yours of 28° Martii 1642, it being neither by way of Petition, Declaration, or Letter.

And for the Matter, we believe it is the first time that the Houses of Parliament have taken upon them the Nomination or Recommendation of the chief Sea Commander; but it addeth to the Wonder, that Sir John Pennington being already appointed by Us for that Service, upon the Recommendation of our Admiral (which is so well known, that none can be ignorant of it); and no Fault so much as alledged against him; another should be recommended unto Us: Therefore Our Resolution upon this Point is, That We will not alter Him, who We have already appointed to command this Year's Fleet; whose every way Sufficiency is so universally known: The which We are confident Our Admiral, if there shall be Occasion, will make most evident; against whose Testimony We suppose Our Parliament will not except.

And though there were yet none appointed, or the said Sir John, through some Accident, not able to perform the Service; yet, the Men of that Profession are so well known to Us, besides many other Reasons, that (Our Admiral excepted, because of his Place) Recommendations of that Kind would not be acceptable to Us.

Given at our Court at York,

ultimo Martii, 1642.

Lords to sit.

Mr. Hotham is appointed to desire the Lords to sit awhile, in regard this House shall have Occasion to come up unto them.

Command of the Fleet.

Mr. Hotham brings Answer, That the Lords will sit awhile, as is desired.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Lords be moved to join with this House, to require the Lord Admiral to depute the Earl of Warwick to command this Summer's Fleet, in Chief; and that they injoin the Earl of Warwick forthwith to undertake this Charge, and to put to Sea accordingly.

Message to Lords.

Sir H. Vane went up to the Lords; and carried up this Vote; and likewise the Order for the Borrowing of Ten thousand Pounds of the Adventurers for Ireland; and was appointed to desire the Lords Concurrence herein.

Command of the Fleet.

Ordered, That the Letter that came from his Majesty, and was this Day sent to this House, from the Lords concerning the Earl of Warwick; and the Petition from both Houses to his Majesty, to the same Purpose; be referred to the Committee that is appointed to consider of his Majesty's last Message.

Ordered, That the Letter from his Majesty, concerning the Earl of Warwick's commanding the Summer's Fleet; and the Petition from both Houses to his Majesty, to the same Purpose; be printed, by Order of both Houses, with some Addition: And that it be referred to Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Glyn, Sir Wm. Lewis, and Sir Jo. Evelyn, to prepare this Addition.

Tonage and Poundage.

Ordered, That the like Order as was last made for the Issuing of the Monies that came in upon the last Bill of Tonage and Poundage, shall be renewed, and made for the Issuing of the Monies that shall come in upon this Bill.

King's Children, &c.

Ordered, That Mr. Glyn, Sir Ro. Pye, Sir Gilbert Gerard, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Holland, and Sir H. Vane jun. do consider of some Order for the Providing for the King's Children, and the King's Houshold, out of the King's Revenue; and that they have Power to send for Parties, &c.

Sir J. Pennington, &c.

Ordered, That Sir John Pennington and Captain Wake shall be examined before Tuesday next, or else discharged, the House being first acquainted therewith.

Naval Affairs.

Ordered, That Captain Martin being entertained into the Service of the Commonwealth, for this Summer's Fleet, shall have Power to receive from Mr. Cordwell so much Gunpowder for his Money, as will be sufficient for his Ship, at the Rates agreed upon by the Committee.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs, to consider of the Providing a small Frigate, to pass between the Islands and Coast of Ireland.

Irish Protestants.

Ordered, That the Committee of this House for the Contribution, shall have Power to consider of the Necessity of those distressed Persons that are come out of Ireland; and make a Schedule of what Sums are fit to be distributed; and to whom: That, the same having received the Allowance of this House, the Lords be moved to join with this House in the Disposal thereof accordingly.

Ordered, That the High Constables and Collectors for Southwark, do make Payment of the Six hundred Pounds they have collected towards the Relief of the distressed Protestants that are come out of Ireland, into the Hands of those Persons that are appointed Treasurers by the Act of Contribution, to receive the same; and that they receive an Acquittance of the said Treasurers, as though the Money had been paid in by the Sheriff, according to the Act.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Henry Vane brings Answer, That, to the first Part of the Message, which concerns the Earl of Warwick's present putting to Sea, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own; and to these, and concerning the Ten thousand Pounds of the Adventurers, they agree to it.

Perfons from Ireland.

That Mr. Glyn report the Order on Monday Morning, concerning the preventing the poor Irish coming over into England.