House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 07 June 1642

Pages 610-612

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 7 Junii, 1642.


Horses stayed at St. Albans.

THAT the Lords be acquainted with this Letter from the Mayor of St. Albans, concerning Seven Horses stayed at St. Albans.

He is likewise to acquaint them with the Words spoken by the Men that conducted those Horses as they passed through Harrow of the Hill; and to desire that they may be stayed till farther Order.

Sir Gilbert ... went up with this M ...

Answer of Ordnance Officers.

Mr. Rolle presented to the House the Answer of the Officers of the Ordnance:


IN Answer to your Demand, requiring us positively to declare whether after the Receipt of the Provisions returned from Hull, by virtue of an Order from both Houses of Parliament, dated the Fourth of this present .... we would deliver them out again, according to the said Order; we have conferred together, and held it fit to return you this Answer; viz. That all Provisions of Magazine, within the Tower of London, having hitherto been committed to the Charge of the Master, and other the respective Officers of the Ordnance jointly; and the Earl of Newport, the present Master of the Ordnance, being now at Yorke, to whom the said Order in the First Place is likewise directed; it will not become us to determine of any Answer to your said Demand, or any other Business of the like Importance, concerning the Duties of that Office, until his Lordship (being therewith acquainted) shall signify to us his Pleasure and Direction therein: To which End, and as a Testimony of our best Respects to both Houses, and Desires to observe all Commands of the Parliament, this Day accordingly we have dispatched an Express to his Lordship, by Post; from whom we have desired, and accordingly do expect a determinate Answer, with all the Expedition the Post Horses can oring us.

Office of the Ordnance, 6° Junii, 1642. Jo. Heydon,
Fra: Cognisby,
Edw. Sherburne,
Tho. Eastbroke
Ric. Marlowe.

Arms, &c. from Hull.

Resolved, That it be referred to the Commissioners for Irish Affairs, to consider what Quantities of Arms and Ammunition returned from Hull, is fit to be sent into Ireland: And that they certify this House thereof with great Speed.

Resolved, That the Remainder of the Arms and Ammunition that shall not be thought fit to be employed for the Service of Ireland, shall be laid up carefully in some safe Place in London.

Resolved, That such Quantities of these Provisions of Arms and Ammunition that are returned from Hull, as shall be made use of for the Service of this Kingdom, shall be made good by the Commonwealth.

Ordered, Sir Gilbert Gerard, when he carries up the next Message, shall desire a free Conference concerning these Arms, &c.: And that these Votes shall be delivered at this Conference.

Train Bands.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Militia do appoint Days for the Trained Bands of the Counties of Cheshire and Lancashire, to muster: And that they do meet de die in diem; and appoint convenient Days for all the other Counties.

Deputy Lieutenants.

Ordered, That Sir H. Heyman and Captain Skinner, Sir Ed. Boyse and Mr. Browne, do repair to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Lieutenant of the County of Kent, to move him that Deputations may be forthwith given unto the Deputy Lieutenants, according to the Ordinance for the Militia.

Irish Affairs.

A Letter from the Lords Justices of Ireland, of the Eleventh of May, lamenting their own particular Con dition, and recommending it to the Consideration of this House; and likewise a Letter from the Lord President of Munster, of the Ninth of May, was this Day read.

Ordered, That these Letters be referred to the Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Lords be moved at the next Message, to expedite the Bill of Subscriptions; and likewise the Ordinance concerning the additional Forces by Sea, for the Service of Ireland.

Ordered, That Two Pieces of Battery, with their Tackle and Equipage, shall be forthwith sent over into Munster, for Defence of that Province.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the Committee of Adventurers, to desire them to lend Ten thousand Pounds, to be sent over into Ireland, for the Relief of the Province of Munster: And this House will see the same repaid out of the first Monies of the Hundred thousand Pounds that shall come in from the City, which they have promised to lend.

And the Lord Dungarvon, Sir Gilb. Gerard, and Mr. Cromwell, are to go with this Message.

Examining Furnes.

Sir Walth. Erle and Mr. Whittacre are appointed to go forth, to examine Furnes the Sadler, that was Yesterday sent for to the House.

Weekly Collection.

The humble Petition of divers Citizens, and others, inhabiting in and about the City of London, was this Day read; desiring that there might be a Weekly Collection of such as would contribute voluntarily to the great Necessities of the Kingdom.

Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Whittlock, Ald. Pennington, Mr. Ven, Mr. Cage, Mr. Vassall, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Rigby: And are to meet, or any Three of them, Tomorrow in the Afternoon, in the Court of Wards.

The Gentlemen that preferred the Petition were called in: And Mr. Speaker told them, "That the House had read their Petition; and do find in it Expressions of great Zeal to the Protestant Profession; and of Fidelity and Care to the Publick; for which they return them Thanks.

Loan from the City.

Mr. Snow acquaints the House, that the Mayor writes him Word, that the Mayor, in the Name of the Corporation, had subscribed, Thirty-first of May, Eleven thousand Two hundred Seventy and Three Pounds: And that the Sheriff had now sent up Two thousand Pounds: And that some private Men had underwritten Four thousand Five hundred and Eighty-one Pounds, in the Name of the Corporation, which was not underwritten by Mr. Mayor; which made the Sheriff scrupulous of receiving it: The House declared he might very well receive it, and pay it in.

Thanks to Exeter.

Ordered, That Mr. Pym, and Mr. Reynolds, do prepare a Letter to be sent to the City of Exeter, to take notice of their Forwardness to the publick Service, and to return them Thanks.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Gilbert Gerard brings Answer, That the Lords are of Opinion, that if it shall appear, that they are the Prince's Horses, that they should be discharged. As for a Conference, they will give a present Meeting, as is desired: And, as for the Bill for Subscriptions, and the Ordinance concerning the additional Forces by Sea, they will give the best Expedition they can.

Loan from College of Physicians.

Dr. Eden and Doctor Parry are appointed to prepare a Letter to be sent to the College of Physicians, concerning the Loan of Monies.

Sir Ben. Rudyard, Mr. Peard, Sir Gilbert Gerard, are appointed to think of some convenient Time when they may convent such Officers before them, as they think fit to propound unto the Desire of the House, for the Lending of Monies in these Times of Extremity.

Money for Ireland.

Ordered, That the several Receivers of the Poll-money in London, and of the Contribution-money for Ireland shall pay unto Mr. Loftus Six hundred and Sixty-two Pounds One Shilling and Four pence, to be employed towards Payment of the Garison now settled at Londonderry: Six hundred and Twenty-seven Pounds whereof is remaining in the Poll-office, and Thirty-five Pounds One Shilling and Four-pence remaining in the Chamber of London, as the Residue of Two hundred Pounds given by Mr. Packer and Mr. Browne towards the War of Ireland.

Engineer, &c. for Hull.

Ordered, That it be referred to Mr. Pym, to agree with the Engineer, and the Two Conductors, to be sent to Hull: And that he send them down to Sir Jo. Hotham; and acquaint him what he is to pay them.

Letter to Mayor of St. Albans.

Ordered, That Mr. Wingate do write a Letter to the Mayor of St. Albans, to thank him for his Care in the Staying of these Horses at St. Albans; and to acquaint him, that this House is satisfied that they are the Prince's; and therefore to require him * * *


Mr. Pierrepointe, Sir Gilbert Gerard, Sir Walth. Erle, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Payment for Printing.

Ordered, That Mr. Wheeler shall pay for the Printing of the Books that are, by Order of this House, to be dispersed and divulged into several Counties.

Prince's Horses.

Ordered, That Mr. Armer shall have a Note under Mr. Speaker's Hand, to carry these Horses of the Prince, which are now stayed at St. Albans, to Yorke, without any farther Interruption.

Warrant to Willoughby.

Ordered, That Mr. * Willoughby shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to transport himself into France.

Pamphlets, false News, &c.

Ordered, That no Member of the House shall send any of the Pamphlets and false Papers into the Country.

Ordered, That the Committee for Printing do sit this Afternoon; to inquire after the Printing of Pamphlets of false News; and do report what they have done herein, To-morrow Morning.

Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Whitlock, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Simonds D'Ewes, Sir Robert Harley, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Prideaux;

This Committee, or any Two of them, is appointed to consider of some way of preventing the Publishing of any Declaration, or other Matter, that may lay any Aspersion upon the Parliament, either by Sheriffs, Ministers, Constables, or other Officers, or otherwise concerning the Parliament: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Two of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Ammunition from Hull.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Votes of this House brought up unto them, concerning the Ammunition brought from Hull.

Answer returned by the same Messengers: That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

The Managers of the last Conference are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Leave of Absence.

Sir Sam. Luke has Leave to go into the Country, for Recovery of his Health.

Committee at Hull.

Ordered, That Two of these Four Gentlemen, viz. Sir Edw. Aiscough, Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Christ. Wray, and Mr. Hatcher, shall be continually resident and assistant to the Governor at Hull, until they shall receive farther Order from this House.

Committee to London.

Ordered, That Mr. Long shall be added to the Committee appointed to go into London: And that it be left to his Care to get them together, as well as he may.


Mr. Pierrepointe reports the Conference with the Lords, concerning the Ammunition: That they agree with this House in all the Votes sent concerning that Business; only they do order, that the Ammunition should be laid up safe in the Tower; and committed to the Custody of the Lieutenant of the Tower: And that the Lieutenant's Servants that shall be employed in this Service, shall have Recompence for their Pains.

Commerce, &c. with Scotland.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider of the Commissions to issue forth for the Conservation of the Peace between the Two Kingdoms, and concerning the Commerce, do meet this Afternoon, at Two of Clock, in the inner Court of Wards.

Defence of the Kingdom.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee appointed to consider of Propositions for the Defence of the Kingdom, be made To-morrow Morning, the first Business, after Prayers.

Committees at Hull.

Mr. Hampden carried up the Order concerning Two of the Committees to reside continually at Hull.

Information against Gerard, &c.

A Letter from Namptwich, directed to Sir. Wm. Brereton, informing of Forces of Horse, endeavouring to be levied in those Parts by Captain Edw. Gerard, and Wm. Arrowsmith his Quarter-master.

Sir Wm. Brereton likewise informed that he had understood, from divers good Hands, that they had actually raised some Horse.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Captain Edw. Gerard, and Mr. Wm. Arrowsmyth, be forthwith sent for, in safe Custody, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.

Ordered, That the High Sheriff of Cheshire be required to do his Duty, in preventing the Raising of any Forces of Horse or Foot; and in suppressing such as be, or shall be, raised, contrary to the Order of both Houses of Parliament, or not by their Order, and with their Consent.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

Affairs of Yorkeshire.

The Lords do desire, that the Committee of this House, for the Businesses of Yorkeshire, may meet with their Committee this Afternoon, at Three of Clock.

House desired to sit.

The Lords have likewise resolved to sit as a House this Afternoon, at Five of Clock; and desire this House would do the like, if it may stand with their Conveniency.

Committee to meet, &c.

Resolved, That the Committee shall meet this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, and the House sit at Five.

Answer returned by the same Messengers: That the Committee shall meet at the Time appointed, and the House sit at Five of Clock, as is desired.

Irish Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Commissioners for Irish Affairs be excused from their Service here this Afternoon, or from going into London.

Committee at Hull.

Mr. Hampden brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Order concerning Two of the Committees continually residing at Hull.

Committee to London.

Ordered, That Sir Tho. Dacres, Mr. Heveningham, Mr. White, and Sir Jo. Evelyn senior, be added to the Committee appointed to go into London, in the Stead of those that are of that Committee that are Commissioners for the Irish Affairs.

Loan from Buckingham.

Whereas the Gentlemen of the County of Bucks have freely lent unto this House the Sum of Six thousand Pounds, upon the Act of Contribution, for the Affairs of Ireland, which was appointed by an Order of the Ninth of April last, to be repaid unto them out of the first Monies that shall be raised in that County upon the Bill of Four hundred thousand Pounds: It is this Day Ordered, by the Commons House of Parliament, That the Collectors of the several Hundreds within the said already or hereafter to be appointed for the Collecting of the Money to be levied upon the said Act of Four hundred thousand Pounds, shall, out of the Money collected or to be collected, by them, upon the said Act, pay unto the several Persons within their Hundreds respectively, the Sums so lent by them: And that the several Acquittances, under the Hands of the Persons that lent the said Monies, being returned by the said several Collectors unto the Treasurers appointed by the said Act, shall be taken and accounted for Payment of so much Monies as shall be contained in the Acquittances; and the Collectors to be discharged thereupon, as if they had paid in so much ready Money to the Treasurers: Which Acquittances shall be likewise allowed unto the Treasurers, upon their Account, as Money paid by them, according to the said Act: Provided that the Sum or Sums of Money contained in the said Acquittances, exceed not the Sum of Six thousand Pounds.

Post Meridiem

House to meet, &c.

THE House met; and did nothing; but adjourn till this Morning, Eight of Clock.