House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 16 June 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, 16 Junii, 1642.


Preparations at Amsterdam.

SOME Informations of warlike Provisions, bought and provided at Amsterdam, and shipped by John Webster in Robert Sheld of London.

Intercepted Letters.

Sir Walth. Erle, Mr. Ven, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. Whittacre, are appointed to peruse the Letters that came from Amsterdam, and were intercepted.

Call of the House.

The House proceeded to the calling of the House; and first called the Members of the House [a]; and then the Defaulters: And,

Upon the Question, whether Sir Christ. Hatton should be excused;

The House was divided:
Mr. Selden, Tellers for the Yea, 122
Sir Robert Hatton,
Sir Jo. Evelyn, Tellers for the Noe, 142.
Mr. Long,

Examining Meunes.

Resolved, That a Committee shall go out, to examine Captain Jo. Mennes.

Mr. Pym, Sir H. Vane, Mr. Dowse, * Holles, Sir Walth. Erle, are appointed to examine Sir Jo. Mennes, Captain of One of the King's Ships.

Absent Members.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it shall be referred to a Committee, to consider how the Mulcts of Money, imposed upon the Members absent, for whom no Excuse was made, and the Excuse allowed, shall be levied and raised for the War of Ireland.

This Question was propounded.-

-Resolved, That these absent Members whose Names were now read, shall not sit in the House, till they have made their Excuse to the Committee, and their Excuse reported to the House, and that the House hath allowed of it.

The House was divided:
Sir Jo. Strangeways, Tellers for the Noe, 91.
Mr. Weston,
Sir Jo. Evelyn, Tellers for the Yea, 147.
Mr. Pierrepointe,
So that it passed in the Affirmative.

Resolved, That the Committee for the Propositions shall be the Committee to take the Excuses of the absent Members; and to consider of the Levying of the Fines: And that it shall sit every Morning, at Seven of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Leave of Absence.

Sir Jo. Strangeways has Leave to go into the Country.

Members withdrawing from Parliament.

This Question, That what Member soever shall withdraw himself from the Service of the House, without particular Leave of the House first obtained, shall forfeit Twenty Pounds, was propounded:

And then the Question was put, whether this Question should be now put:

And the House was divided.
The Noes went forth.
Sir Jo. Strangewayes, Tellers for the Noe, 100.
Mr. Lloyd,
Sir Jo. Evelyn, Tellers for the Yea, 79.
Mr. Strode,
So that the Question passed with the Negative.

House to sit.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords do appoint to sit by-and-by, at Three of Clock; and have commanded us to acquaint you with it; and do desire that you would do the like, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and has resolved to sit at Three of Clock.

Essex Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of the County of Essex shall be received To-morrow Morning.

Naval Affairs.

Ordered, That Mr. Cromwell shall carry up to the Lords the Order, made on Saturday the Eleventh of June, concerning the Setting forth presently to Sea the Ships and Pinnaces set forth by the Adventurers for additional Forces; and desire their Lordships Concurrence therein.

House to sit.

Ordered, That the House sit this Afternoon, at Three of Clock.

Subscriptions of Money, &c.

THAT the Deputy Lieutenants of each County, which are Members of the House, shall have Authority to tender the Propositions to the other Deputy Lieutenants of the same County, and take their Subscriptions: And all such Deputy Lieutenants, or any Two of them, as shall subscribe according to the Propositions, shall have Authority to assemble and call together all such Persons as they shall think fit, and to tender those Propositions to all such Persons as shall be present, or to any Persons within their Counties respectively, and receive their Subscriptions: And the said Deputy Lieutenants, or any Two of them, shall have Authority to name such and so many Persons as they shall think fit to assemble, and call together every Person, or to repair to their several Houses, or Dwelling, within their respective Counties, and to take their Subscriptions: Which Subscriptions are by them to be returned to such Persons as shall be appointed Receivers in the respective Counties; who shall, from time to time, certify the Sums, Values, or Proportions, of such Subscriptions to the Treasurers of London.

2. The said Deputy Lieutenants, or the greater Part of them, shall have Power to name Receivers in their several Counties; and all such as shall, either before or after their Subscriptions, pay or bring in any Money or Plate, shall deliver the same to such Person or Persons as shall be appointed by the said Deputy Lieutenants, or the greater Part of them, under their Hands, to be Receivers: Which the said Persons so appointed shall cause to be delivered to the Treasurers of London, named in the said Propositions; and shall receive Acquittances from the said Treasurers, in the Name, and to the Use, of the several Persons from whom they shall receive such Money or Plate; and shall deliver such Acquittances to the several Persons to whom they do belong: And all such as make such Returns of Money or Plate, shall receive reasonable Allowance from the Treasurers for the same, according to their Discretions.

3. All that find Horses shall presently send them up to London, according to the Propositions.

4. In those Counties where no Commissions are issued to those that were nominated for Deputy Lieutenants, or none have been nominated there, the same Authority to be given to such Justices of Peace, or other Gentlemen of those Counties, which shall be named by the Knights and Burgesses of those Counties, and approved by both Houses, as is to the Deputy Lieutenants in the First Instruction.

5. That the Time of Notice shall be taken to be from the Time that every Man hears the Propositions first read by the Authority aforesaid.

Post Meridiem

Intercepted Letters.

SIR Walter Erle reports from the Committee appointed to open the Letters that came from Amsterdam, That they find not much considerable in them, only Bills of Exchange to Adrian Mayo for Three thousand Pounds, in case the former Bills came not to his Hands.

Ordered, That it be referred to the said Committee to consider of those Bills of Exchange.

Raising Horses, &c.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth approve of Captain Burrell, * Lloyd Gentleman, Jo. Smith, and Fra. Dowett, of London, Gentleman, to be Commissaries to inroll and value the Horses and Arms, to be raised according to the Propositions: And that the Lords be moved to join with this House therein.

Message to Lords.

Sir Jo. Evelyn carried up to the Lords the Order to require the additional Forces by Sea to go for Ireland; and the Order to remove the Residue of the Horse, Arms, Saddles, and other Ammunition, from Hull; and the Instructions for taking Subscriptions for the Raising of Horse; and also the Names of the Four Persons for Commissaries for the Horse and Arms raised according to the Propositions: And he is appointed to acquaint the Lords, that this House hath appointed Saturday come Sevennight, that the Members of their House do bring in their Horse, Monies, or Plate subscribed.

Scotch Propositions.

Mr. Fynes reports from the Conference, the Propositions of the Scotts Commissioners.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth assent, that these Words shall be added to the Third Article; viz. "according to Instructions received, or to be received, from the Lord Admiral to that Purpose."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth not assent to put out the Word "remain," in the Fourth Article.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth not assent to the Words "Colonel, Serjeant Major, and Quarter-master," in the Fourth Article.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree, the Word "free" shall be put in, in the Tenth Article; and the Word "those" put out.

Sir Samuel Rolls went up to the Lords, to desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Scotts Propositions, delivered lately at a Conference by the Lords.

Regulating Trade.

Mr. Green reported the Orders for regulating Trade and Commerce; whereof One, being the Thirteenth, was re-committed: The which was read; and assented unto.

Resolved, upon the Question, That these Orders for Regulating of Trade and Commerce shall be printed, together with the Book of Rates.


Mr. Holles carried up to the Lords, in Writing, the Impeachment of the Nine Lords.

Scotch Propositions.

Ordered, That the Propositions from the Scotts, touching some Particulars concerning their Trade, be recommitted to the Committee for the Customers.

Mariners Claims.

The humble Petition of all and every the Mariners employed in the several Ships lately come from Kingston upon Hull, with Ammunition, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Navy to receive the Accounts of these Petitioners; and and to consider of the Satisfying of them for the Time passed; and of contracting with them for so long Time as they shall be employed in this Service.

Apleton's Arrears.

Ordered, That the Petition of Captain Robert Apleton, a Commander in the late Northern Service, be referred to Sir Wm. Uvedale, to consider and certify what is due upon his Arrear, that Order may be taken for the Satisfying thereof.

Publishing Orders, &c.

Ordered, That the Order of the Fourth of June, for Publishing of the Orders, Votes, and Declarations of the House, shall extend as well to such Orders, Votes, and Declarations as shall hereafter be made, as to such as are already made.

Arundell Election.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Committee for Privileges shall be revived, as to the Election of Mr. Downes for Arundell: And that the Suit at Law against the Mayor thereof shall be stayed, till the Committee have made Report: And this Committee is to sit Tomorrow, in the Afternoon, at Three of Clock, in the Star-chamber.

Forces for Ireland.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords have received a Paper from Secretary Nicholas, concerning the Forces by Sea and Land for Ireland: Which they conceived fit to be communicated to this House.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Jo. Evelyn reports, that the Lords do agree to the Instructions concerning the Propositions; and to the Order concerning the Commissaries: And, as to the Order for removing the Arms from Hull; and for the Ships set forth by the Adventurers; they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Committee to sit, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Propositions shall have Power to sit, and make Sub-committees, as they please.


Sir Sam. Rolle brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, as is desired, at a free Conference concerning the Propositions.

Member admitted.

Upon the Report from the Committee appointed to receive Excuses: It was

Resolved, upon the Question, That Sir Peter Temple shall be admitted into the House; and be freed from his Mulct of an Hundred Pounds.

Answer from the King.

HIS Majesty hath commanded me to give this His Answer to the Order of Parliament of the Seventh of May, One thousand Six hundred Forty-two.

THAT His Majesty is altogether unsatisfied with the Persons appointed to take Charge and Command of the Fleet and Forces intended to be set out by the Commission mentioned in that Order, and with the Commission itself, which His Majesty's Lord Lieutenant of Ireland conceives may add to the Disorders of Ireland, rather than help to reduce the Rebels to their Obedience.

As for the Security tendered, His Majesty saith, That, in regard the Two Houses endeavour to stop such Monies as are due to Him from being returned hither to Yorke to His Majesty; and pretend that he intends to make War against the said Two Houses (whereof His Majesty saith he abhors the Thought); His Majesty conceives, no Caution in London can secure Him, until those false Pretences are removed.

For all which Reasons, His Majesty refuseth to sign or pass the said Commission.

Edw. Nicholas.

Yorke, 13° Junii, 1642.

Lord Lieut. of Ireland.

Ordered, That the Propositions made by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning, the first Business.

Raising Horse.

Ordered, That the Instructions concerning the Propositions for Raising of Horse; and the Names of the Commissaries appointed to inroll and value the Horses; be forthwith printed.

Information against Wollaston.

Christopher Wilkinson and Hen. Peache were called in: Who informed the House, That one Mr. Wollaston, of Waltham-abbey, in the County of Essex, said, in their Hearing, that all those Volunteers that went and entered themselves at the last Training at Burntwood, were Rebels.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Wollaston shall be sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.

Members admitted.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Tho. Mauleverer shall be admitted to sit in the House; and the Fine of a Hundred Pounds shall be taken off.

Answer from the King.

Ordered, That the Business concerning the King's Answer about the Commission for the additional Forces, be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.

Sir Nicho. Crispe was called in; and informed the House, That he received the Paper now shewed unto him, from Sir Edw. Nicholas, concerning his Majesty's Answer about the Commission for the additional Forces by Sea.


  • a. On the 19th of July the following Entry is made in the Journals. The House called; and those Members underwritten were absent. Sir John Packington, Mr. Tho. Howard, Sir Bevile Greenvile, Joseph Jane Gent. John Arrundell Junior, Edward Hide Esquire, Jonathan Rashley, Rob. Hoborne, Jo. Trevanian, Thomas Chicheley, George Hartnell, Richard Rosse, Doctor Turner, Henry Bellassis, Sir Henry Sling/?/by Sir John Mallory, Sir Wm. Pennyman, Mr. Jo. Bellassis, Sir Thomas Ingram, Richard Aldborough, Sir Rob. Strickland, Thomas Heblethwrite, Sir Edward Alford, Sir Thomas Fanshawe, Sir John Colepeper, Jervaise Hollis, Orland Bridgman, Wm. Harbert, Sir Chr. Hatton Lord Viscount Mansfeild, Henr. Anderson, Sir Richard Cave, Sir Jo. Lee, Lord Falkland, Tho. Jermaine, Sir Ralph Hopton, Edward Kirton, Richard Harding, Sir Wm. Savile, Endimion Porter, John Ashburnham, Franc. Gerard, Harbt. Price, John Griffith junior, Philip Warwick.