House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 05 September 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 5 Septembris, 1642;


Dep. Lieuts. of Cambridge.

RESOLVED, upon the Question, That this House doth nominate and approve of Sir James Reynolds, Sir Michael Sandis junior, Knights, Jo. Duckett, Roger Rant, Esquire, to be Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Cambridge.

Message from the King.

The House being informed, That the Lord Falkland was at the Door with a Message from his Majesty; It was Ordered, That he should be received in the same Manner as Sir Jo. Colepeper was on Saturday.

Letters from Amsterdam.

Mr. Rolle, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Morley, are appointed to peruse the Letters that were taken in a Ship freighted from Amsterdam with Arms and Ammunition.

A Letter

Letter concerning the King, &c.

A Letter of the Third of September, from Chester, concerning the Lord Lieutenant's Waggons and Horses, sent for by his Majesty, to be brought to Nottingham; and concerning some indicted for Rebels in Ireland, that are now with his Majesty.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Conference shall be desired with the Lords, concerning the Matter of this Letter; and of some Informations therein contained, concerning the Affairs in Ireland, and concerning some Men said to be employed to treat with the Rebels in Ireland.

Message from the King,

The Lord Falkland was called in: And Mr. Speaker told him, "That the House being informed he had a Message to deliver from his Majesty, that he might, if he pleased, deliver it."

The Lord Falkland said, He had only a Message in Writing to deliver; and had nothing else in Commands to deliver from his Majesty.

He delivered in the Message: The which was twice read.

Commrs of Array.

His Majesty's Instructions to his Commissioners of Array for the several Counties of England, and Principality of Wales, dated from Nottingham, the 29th of August; signed under the Signet; were this Day read.

Proceedings on King's Message, &c.

To acquaint the Lords with the Message from his Majesty.

To declare, That as both Houses formerly declared that they could not be in a Condition to treat, until the Proclamations whereby both Houses are declared Traitors, and the Standard taken down; so now to declare, that no Treaty could be safe, if the Indemnity of those about his Majesty were provided for, who have withdrawn his Majesty from the Parliament, and have brought these Distractions upon the Kingdom.

To acquaint the Lords with his Majesty's Instructions to the Commissioners of Array in all Counties of England and Wales; and to observe unto their Lordships the date of these Instructions, which was the 29th of August, and since the House received his Majesty's last Message.

To consider what Scorn is put upon both Houses of Parliament, by putting them in the same Balance with those that have brought all these Mischiefs upon the Kingdom.

To shew that both Houses are as desirous of a good * * * *

Mr. Pym, Sir Ph. Stapilton, Mr. Marten, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir H. Vane Junior, Sir Hugh Cholmeley, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Rigby;

This Committee is presently to withdraw, to prepare Heads for a Conference to be desired with the Lords, upon his Majesty's Message; the Letter from Chester; the Instructions to the Commissioners of Array, &c.

Payment to Earl of Salisbury.

An Order for the Payment of the Earl of Salisbury some Monies assigned upon the Farmers of the Woods in the Forest of Deane, according to an Order of Saturday last, was this Day read; and, by Vote upon the Question, re-committed.

Abuses in Taunton Leet Court.

The humble Petition of the Mayor and Burgesses of Taunton, concerning some Misdemeanors and Abuses committed by the Steward of the Leet Court of that Town (the Manor thereof belonging to the Bishop of Winton) in Nominating and Packing of Juries.

Upon a Complaint made to this House, that the Steward of the Leet Court of the Manor of Taunton Dean had committed some Misdemeanors, in requiring the Bailiffs of that Town, by his Warrants, to return, at the last Leet, the Names of such Persons only as were nominated by himself; by means whereof a Jury was compacted of unfit Persons; the which Course may prove of an ill Precedent, and of ill Consequence to the Peace of the Kingdom; It is Ordered, That the said Steward do issue out his Warrants, at the next Court Leet, in the usual Manner, as by the Custom of the Place he ought to do: And that the Bailiffs do make Returns of the Jurors in the ancient usual Manner: And that the said Steward do forthwith attend this House, to answer his former Misdemeanors.

Powder, &c. for the City.

Mr. Vassall reports, That the Committee finds One hundred Barrels of Powder, One hundred Eighty-five Barrels of Match, upon Mr. Fryer's Account, One hundred twenty-two Arquebusses, for Mr. Hawknes' Account, and all provided for the Service of the City; and brought by Mr. Robert Jacobs, Master of the Sara, from Rotterdam.

Loan from Ld. Salisbury.

Mr. Dowse brings Answer, That on Saturday last he and Mr. Strode had delivered the Message to the Lord of Salisbury, concerning the Loan of Five thousand Pounds, which he promised to lend about February last: He desired to take Time till this Day to give his Answer.

Leave of Absence.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Taylor of Bristoll shall have Leave to go into the Country, and to stay for the Space of Three Weeks.

Training Volunteers.

Ordered, That Tho. Wilcocks, of Totnam in the County of Middlesex, Esquire, shall have the same Order made for him to train Volunteers of Horse and Foot, as was made for the Town of St. Albans: And that the Lord General and the Lord of Holland be made acquainted therewith. And further Ordered, That the like Order be made for the other Parts of the County of Middlesex. And Sir Gilbert Gerard and Mr. Strode are to acquaint them herewith.

Lieutenant of Salop.

Resolved, That the Lord Littleton, Lord Keeper, shall be discharged of being any longer Lieutenant of the County of Salop.

Resolved, That this House doth nominate and approve of the Earl of Essex, to be Lieutenant of the County of Salop, instead of the Lord Keeper.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Dep. Lieuts. of Glamorgan.

Ordered, That the Earl of Pembroke, Lieutenant of the County of Glamorgan, for the better and quicker Dispatch of the Business, shall have Authority to nominate and constitute his Deputy Lieutenants of that County, without Returning of them hither, in regard there are Soldiers raised and billetted in that County.

Redemption of Captives.

The humble Petition of Randall Manwaringe, Deputy to the Lord Mayor of London, for Receipt of One per Cent. for Redemption of Captives, was this Day read.

Resolved, That Captain Manwaring shall collect the Duty of One per Cent. for Redemption of Captives, as Deputy to the Lord Mayor, according to former Orders and Ordinances made in this Business: And that the Committee for the Navy do prepare an Order for enabling him hereunto.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Long went up to the Lords, to desire a Conference concerning some Letters from Chester; concerning Ireland; and concerning a Message from his Majesty.

He likewise carried up to the Lords an Order concerning Munster; the Names of some Deputy Lieutenants for the County of Cambridge; and the Vote for the Earl of Essex to be Lieutenant of the County of Salop.

Dillington's Petition.

The humble Petition of Sir Robert Dillington, of the Isle of Wight, who was sent for as a Delinquent, upon information he intended to send Provisions into Portesmouth; and for setting his Hand to a Declaration; was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That this Petition, and the Examination of this Business, be referred to the Committee for Informations.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Long brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Nominating the Earl of Essex to be Lieutenant of the County of Salop; to the Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Cambridge; and to a present Conference upon the Heads desired: And as to the Order concerning Munster, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Delivery of Answer to the King.

Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds do prepare a Letter to be sent from Mr. Speaker to one of the Secretaries at Court, for the Delivery of the Answer of this House to his Majesty's Message of the 13th of August.


Mr. Pym presented, from the Committee, the Heads of the Conference desired with the Lords, concerning his Majesty's Message brought by the Lord Falkland; and concerning a Letter from Chester, touching some Affairs of Ireland: The which were read; and, by Vote upon Question, assented unto.

Mr. Pym, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Philip Stapilton, Mr. Marten, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Loan from E. of Sarum.

Mr. Dowse brings Answer from the Earl of Sarum, that he is willing to lend a thousand Pounds of the Monies payable unto him, by the Assignment upon Sir Jo. Wintour.

Tents, &c. from Hull.

Ordered, That the One thousand Tents, and the Eight hundred and Fifty Pair of Pistol Holsters, brought by James Blayes, Master of the Ship called the Supply, from Sir Jo. Hotham at Hull, shall be forthwith delivered to Captain Bradely, to be laid up in the Stores in London.

Shereburne Committee.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Defence of the Kingdom do forthwith send an express to the Committee at Shereburne, with the Declaration of this House, concerning Satisfaction to be made to the Commonwealth, out of the Estates of Delinquents; and also the King's Two last Messages, and the Answers thereunto.

Impeachment of Lord Strange, &c.

Ordered, That the Impeachment against the Lord Strange shall be re-committed to the same Committee: And they are also to consider of the Impeachment against the Earl of Northampton, and Lord Dunsmore; and of the Information against the Earl of Newcastle, and his Adherents.

Lords agree to Votes.

A Message from the Lords by Dr. Aylett; and Dr. Heath;

That the Lords do agree to those Votes brought up at the last Conference.

Answer to the King.

Ordered, That the same Committee that was appointed to draw the Answer to the King's Message, do forthwith put the same Answer into a Form, to be sent unto his Majesty.

Prisoner discharged.

Resolved, &c. That Wm. Lord, now in the Serjeant's Custody, shall be forthwith discharged.

Suffolke Committees, &c.

Resolved, That this House doth approve of the Instructions for the County of Suffolke, for the Committees there; and approve of Sir Jo. Rous to be a Commissioner.

Ly. Harecourt's Grant.

Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds do frame a Letter and Instructions to be sent to the Lords Justices in Ireland, that the Lady Harecourt may enjoy the Benefit of the Corn and Grass of this Summer's Growth, of the Land which his Majesty hath declared to settle upon her, and her Posterity; and likewise to take Care that she may have the Custody of the Castle.

Repaying Loans from Delinquents Estates.

WHEREAS his Majesty, in a Message received the Fifth of September, requires, that the Parliament would revoke their Declarations against such Persons as have assisted his Majesty in this unnatural War against his Kingdom; It is this Day Ordered and Declared, by the Lords and Commons, That the Arms which they have been forced to take up, and shall be forced to take up, for the Preservation of the Parliament, Religion, the Laws and Liberties of the Kingdom, shall not be laid down, until his Majesty shall withdraw his Protection from such Persons as have been voted by both Houses to be Delinquents, or that shall by both Houses be voted to be Delinquents; and shall leave them to the Justice of the Parliament, to be proceeded with according to their Demerits; to the end that both this and succeeding Generations may take Warning, with what Danger they incur the like heinous Crimes; and also to the end that those great Charges and Damages wherewith all the Commonwealth has been burthened in the Premises, sithence his Majesty's Departure from the Parliament, may be borne by the Delinquents, and other malignant and disaffected Persons; and that all his Majesty's good and well-affected Subjects, have by Loan of Monies, or otherwise, at their Charge, who assisted the Commonwealth, or shall in like Manner hereafter assist the Commonwealth, in Time of extreme Danger, may be repaid all Sums of Money by them lent for those Purposes, and be satisfied their Charges so sustained, out of the Estates of the said Delinquents, and of the malignant and disaffected Party in this Kingdom.

Suppressing Insurrections in Cambridge, &c.

WHEREAS this House hath been informed, that many of the Inhabitants of the County of Cambridge, and Isle of Eley, are desirous that the Captains of the Trained Bands within the said County, constituted by virtue of the Ordinance of Parliament for settling the Militia, may be enabled to assemble their Companies for the Suppression of riotous Insurrections within the said County, if any shall be; It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, That the said Captains, or any One of them, by and with Consent of the Lord Lieutenant, or any One of the Deputies, may, at any time or times, assemble his or their respective Company or Companies, and suppress such riotous Insurrections, if any be, or shall be, within the said County, or Isle of Elie, in such sort as the publick Peace of that County may be preserved, and his Majesty's Subjects be there protected from Force and Injury.

Message from the King.

WE will not repeat what Means We have used, to prevent the dangerous and distracted Estate of the Kingdom; nor how those Means have been interpreted; because, being desirous to avoid Effusion of Blood, We are willing to decline all Memory of former Bitterness, that might make Our Offer of a Treaty less readily accepted.

We never did declare, nor ever intended to declare, both Our Houses of Parliament Traitors, or set up Our Standard against them; and much less to put them and this Kingdom out of Our Protection: We utterly profess against it before God and the World. And, further to remove all possible Scruples, which may hinder the Treaty so much desired by Us, We hereby promise (so that a Day be appointed by you, for the Revoking of your Declarations against all Persons as Traitors, or otherwise, for assisting of Us) We shall, with all Chearfulness, upon the same Day, recal Our Proclamations and Declarations, and take down Our Standard. In which Treaty We shall be ready to grant any thing that shall be really for the Good of Our Subjects; conjuring you to consider the bleeding Condition of Ireland, and the dangerous Condition of England, in as high a Degree as by these Our Offers We have delared Ourselves to do; and assuring you, that Our chief Desire, in this World, is to beget a good Understanding, and mutual Confidence, betwixt Us, and Our Two Houses of Parliament.