House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 12 November 1642

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 12 Novembris, 1642.


Citizens Propositions.

MR. Rous, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Marten, Mr. Green, Mr. Grimston, Mr. Millington, Mr. Hoyle, Mr. Waller, Sir H. Mildmay, Mr. Rigby, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Jo. Moore, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir H. Vane;

This Committee is forthwith to treat with a Committee of the City, concerning the Propositions delivered from divers of the Citizens, in a Petition to this House, the last Night, and are to withdraw upon it presently.

Prisoner discharged.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Bellamy, the Proctor, be forthwith discharged: And that the Constable that has him in Custody be dismissed.

Person sent for, &c.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Dr. Duck shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent: And that the Captains that lie near Cheswick be required to search his House at Cheswick for Arms, Horse, Money, and Plate; and to seize them for the Service of the Commonwealth: And, if they can light upon him, to send him up, as a Delinquent, to this House.

Persons to be brought up in Custody.

Ordered, That Sir Gerard Napier, Mr. Fanshaw, Mr. Walker, Mr. Snow, Mr. Bisse, Sir Tho. Hele, Sir James Thinne, Mr. Rich. Kinge, Mr. Davies, Mr. Whittacre, Mr. Tho. Coke, Mr. Catlyn, Mr. Piers Edgcombe, Mr. Joseph Jane, Sir Tho. Payton, Sir Norton Knatchbull, Dr. Parry, Mr. Allestree, Mr. Hartnall, Mr. Mannaton, Mr. Vaughan, Mr. Polewheele, Mr. Pleddall, Serjeant Evers, Mr. Tomkins, Mr. Rich. Vivian, Mr. Stanhope, Mr. Chadwell, be forthwith summoned by the Serjeant's Man, and brought up in safe Custody, at their own Charges: And that likewise they bear the Charges of those Messengers that are sent for them; and pay them for their Pains.

Negociations with the King.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whitfield and * *;

The Lords have received an Answer from his Majesty to the Petition presented from both Houses unto him; and do desire a Conference presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, by Committees of both Houses, concerning the same.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That the House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is *.

Mr. Pierrepointe, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Solicitor, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Pym reported the Conference:

The Earl of Northumberland said, He was to give an Account * * * *.

He had a Purpose to have sent his Answer by Messengers of his own; but considering of what Importance it was to hasten this Business.....

The Answer was read.

The Lords did conceive it very necessary to send a Letter to know what his Majesty's Intention is, concerning the Carriage of the Armies: And sent down the Draught of a Letter.

The which was read; and, after some Debate, with some Amendments, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent by the Speaker of the House of Peers; and sent up by Mr. Pym.

Mr. Pym reports, That the Lords do agree unto all the Alterations; and have given Order for transcribing it and sending it presently away.

House to sit.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Robert Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords have resolved to sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock; and would desire that this House would do the like, if it may stand with their Conveniency.

Ordered, That this House do meet this Afternoon, at Three of Clock.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has resolved to sit this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, as is desired.

Warrants declared illegal.

The House was informed of Warrants directed to the High Constables of the Hundred of Elthorne, in the County of Middlesex, for Bringing in of Carts, and all sorts of Provision of Victual: The which were read; and, by Vote upon the Question, declared to be illegal.

Ordered, That the Lord General be acquainted with these Warrants; and with the Illegality of them; and desired That he would be pleased to take some speedy Course to free the good Subjects from these and the like Oppressions.

Mr. Glyn, Sir Arth. Hasilrige, Sir Jo. Francklyn, Mr. Fienis, Sir Gilbert Gerard, are appointed to move the Lord General herein.

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Post Meridiem

Westminster Train Bands, &c.

SIR Robert Pye and Mr. Wheeler are appointed to see the Train Bands, and the Soldiers in the Works about Westminster, to be well furnished with Powder, Match, and Bullet, proportionable; and to give Order, and encourage the Trained Bands to go into the Works.

City Forces, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Militia in London do give Order to some of the Captains of the City, to draw forth their Forces into the Suburbs of the City, and into the City of Westminster, and the Suburbs thereof; and to beat up their Drums for Volunteers; and to arm those Volunteers with the Arms of such of the Train Bands as shall not voluntarily go into the Trenches, to guard and defend the Cities and Suburbs.

Persons committed.

Ordered, That these Eight Delinquents, brought out of Kent by some Officers of Dover Castle, be committed to the Serjeant's Custody; to dispose of to convenient Prisons: And that the Officers, that brought them up, be discharged and dismissed.

Parliament Guards.

The House gives Consent, that the Guards that wait here, may, according to the Directions of the Committee for the Defence of the Kingdom, go into the Works, about Hide Parke, for the Defence of those Trenches.

Train Band.

Ordered, That Mr. Wm. Boteler and Mr. Walter Biggs, of St. Giles in the Fields, be required, and hereby authorized to see the Train Band of those parts forthwith put into a posture of Defence, and drawn forth.

Defence of Lancaster.

Ordered, That the Letter of the Seventh of November, and the Desires of the well-affected People in the County of Lancaster, for the Defence of That County, be referred to the Committee for Examinations; to consider how their Desires may be satisfied, with the best Speed as may be: And that Sir Wm. Strickland and Mr. Holland do take the Accounts of the Monies disbursed, for the Raising of a Thousand Dragooners, for the Safety of That County.

Recusants Petition to the King, &c.

And it is farther Ordered, That the Petition of the Recusants of That County to his Majesty, and his Majesty's Answer thereunto, be forthwith printed.

Satisfaction to Bulstrode.

Mr. Whitlock and Mr. Constantine are appointed to prepare an Order for Satisfying of Mr. Bulstrode of Bucks, out of the Estate of that Merchant by whose Procurement his House was plundered; and to bring it in on Monday Morning.

Seizing Horses.

Ordered, That Sir Sam. Luke be required, and hereby authorized to seize the Horses of Sir Lewis Dive, Sir Wm. Boteler, and the Lord Capell; and to employ them for the Service of the Commonwealth.

City Forces.

Sir H. Mildmay, Mr. Ashe, Mr. Spurstoe, are appointed to go to the Lord Mayor, and the Committee for the Militia in London, to desire them, according to the Desires of the Lord General, to send all the Forces of Horse and Foot they can spare, with all Speed, to my Lord General.

Reward to Messenger.

Ordered, That Mr. Holland do give unto Wm. Dunn, the Messenger that first brought the Information of the King's Forces setting upon the Parliament Forces at Brentford, Five Pounds, out of the Monies remaining in his Hands for maimed Soldiers: And that he be repaid by Sir Gilbert Gerard.

Examining a Prisoner.

Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Rolle, Mr. Wheeler, are appointed to go out; to examine the Prisoner that is taken of the King's Army.


Sir Tho. Dacres is appointed to go with Captain Fuller to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom; to know how they will dispose of him, and of a Company of Volunteers he hath ready at the Service of the Parliament.

Seizing Horses, &c.

Ordered, That Captain Brookes, Captain of the Hulk that lies over-against Lambeth, be required, and hereby authorized, to stop and seize all Horses that pass the Ferry: And likewise to stop, search, and seize all Boats laden with Ammunition, or warlike Provisions.

House to meet.

Ordered, That the House do meet To-morrow at Eight of Clock.

Army Affairs, &c.

Sir John Bampfield, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Squire Bence, are appointed to go to the Lord Mayor, and the Committee for the Militia; and to take with them the Servant of the Earl of Salisbury, to give them a true Information of what has passed at Brentford; and to desire them forthwith to send away Provisions of Bread, Cheese, and Beer, and Men, and Munition, to the Army; and likewise Surgeons, and other Necessaries; and likewise to send away the Boats, with Mariners, and Pieces of Ordnance: And that the Care of sending away these Boats with Mariners, and be especially recommended to Mr. Squire Bence.

Military Affairs.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the Lord General; to desire him, that he proceed according to his best Advantages, notwithstanding the Letter sent to his Majesty, by Sir Peter Killigrew, or any Proceedings thereon; in regard the other Side has begun to commit Acts of Hostility, since that Letter was agreed upon: And that a Copy of this Order be sent by One of the Serjeant's Men: And that it be referred to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom, to send another Copy of this Order.

Mr. Strode informs the House, from the Lord General, how strong my Lord General is; and what Course he has taken to assemble all his Forces together: And that he dees not intend to be amused by Treaties; but seeing they have begun the Acts of Hostility, to pursue, and see what they will do.

The House commanded Mr. Strode to present their Thanks, and Acknowledgment, to his Excellency, for his great Care and Industry: And that they do, with all Alacrity, approve of his chearful Resolution to proceed; and will not be wanting in any thing they can do.

Examination of Rigg.

Mr. Wheeler reports the Examination of Thomas Rigg, Servant to one Mr. Harbred, living near Selbey in the County of Yorke:.

He saith, That he hath served in the King's Service ever since the March from Shrowsburie; when he came first to the Service of Mr. Harbred. He saith, He never served either on Foot or Horseback, but as Groom unto his Master, who is a Horse-man in Prince Charles his Troop: That the Examinant was sent out last night, as a Scout, on Hounslow-heath, to discover towards Branford. That he was taken Prisoner this Morning in his Bed, by some of the Troop of Captain John Fynes.

Committed, &c.

Ordered, That Thomas Rigg be committed Prisoner to the Gatehouse; there to remain during the Pleasure of the House: And that the Soldiers that took him, and brought him up, have Ten Shillings given them by Mr. Holland, out of the Monies remaining in his Hands for the maimed Soldiers.