House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 22 November 1642

Pages 858-859

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Martis, 22 Novembris, 1642.


Trained Band.

ORDERED, That the humble Petition of divers of the Trained Band of the Parish of St. Clement Danes, whose Names are subscribed, be referred to the Committee for Informations; to be speedily considered of.

Duke de Soubize's Sarvants.

Ordered, That the Servants of the late Duke de Soubize shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to transport themselves, their Goods, and Two-and-twenty Horses and Mares.

Lord Lannerick.

My Lord Lannerick to have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to attend his Majesty; and to go into Scotland.

Sufferers by Plunder.

Ordered, That whosoever is or shall be plundered, and shall know where their Goods are, shall have Liberty to seize them where they find them: And that all Constables, and other his Majesty's Officers and good People, be aiding and assisting unto them for the Regaining of them, by way of Examination of any that can give any Information before any Officer, or otherwise: And such as shall assist to be saved harmless.

Affairs at Chichester.

A Letter directed to Mr. Morley, informing, That the Sheriff of Sussex had seized of Chichester, and of the Ordnance and Ammunition there, was read.

Seizing Cattle, &c.

Ordered, That the Corn, Cattle, or any other Goods of Captain Wm. Hudson of Rigate, be seized and sold by Edm. Jordon Esquire, and such as he shall appoint; and an Account made of them to the House, in such Manner as the House shall require: And likewise, That the Goods of Captain Broadnox, and James Davies, in Southwarke, be seized and sold by Cornelius Cooke and Daniel Mercer; and that they be accountable for them to the House, in such Manner as the House shall appoint: And that the Rents of the said Captain Broadnox and James Davies be received by the said Cornelius Cooke and Daniel Mercer: And that they be disposed of according as the House shall appoint.

Collectors in Lincolne.

Ordered, That Sir Anth. Irby do require the Collector of the Monies due and payable in the County of Lincolne, to pay the Monies remaining in their Hands to him the said Sir Anth. Irby; provided that they be not any of the Monies due and payable upon the Bill of Four hundred thousand Pounds; or such Monies as are formerly assigned and disposed of by any former Orders: And the said Collectors are required hereby to pay the same accordingly.

Money belonging to Boteler.

And it is farther Ordered, That he do likewise seize all such Monies as are in the Hands of any Person in that County, belonging to Sir Wm. Boteler: And the Collectors, and all other Persons authorized hereby to receive or pay any Monies, as aforesaid, shall be hereby saved harmless for their so doing: And they are required to return a Duplicate of all such Monies as they shall receive or pay, by virtue of this Order, to this House.

Answer to King's Message.

The Order Yesterday made, for turning the House into a Committee, to resume the Consideration of an Answer to his Majesty's late Message, was read.

And accordingly,

Mr. Speaker left the Chair: And

Mr. Ellis was called to the Chair: And

The Committee resumed the Debate concerning an Answer to his Majesty's late Message.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair: And

Upon Mr. Ellis his Report from the Grand Committee;

It was Resolved, upon the Question, That the Process and Justice of Parliament, being the Supreme Court of Judicature, may have its free Course, and be executed upon Delinquents: And that they may not be protected. and kept from the Justice of Parliament by Force: And that in particular, the Lord Digby and Mr. Henry Willmott be presently delivered over to the Justice of Parliament.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Religion, Laws, and Liberty, may be secured by the Advice of Parliament.

This Vote to be added to the Vote for his Majesty's Return to the Parliament.

My Lord Gray was appointed to go up to the Lords, to desire a Conference with the Lords, concerning an Answer to his Majesty's late Message.

Abolishing Episcopacy.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Browne, Mr. Rigby, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Wheeler, or any Two of them, are appointed to prepare a Bill for the Taking away of Bishops, Deans, Deans and Chapters, out of the Church of England, according to the former Votes of both Houses.

Citizens Propositions.

The House being informed, That divers Citizens were at the Door, who desired to inform the House of some Things of great Importance;

They were called in. Mr. Shute, in the Name of the rest, informed the House, That One Thing which exceedingly troubled them was, the Point of Accommodation; a Peace more to be feared than their Power.-If the Accommodation proceeded not, Monies then to be raised.

They would propound Three Ways:

1. Concerning Plate in the Halls of London.

2. Subscriptions in the several Wards underwritten, not yet brought in.

3. Weekly Subscriptions to be advanced.

The Means for Saving of Monies.

1. To cut off superfluous Charges by unnecessary Officers in the Army.

2. That there may be due Musters.

3. Indifferent honest Men to be chosen in every Ward, to raise and advance the Subscriptions-Foreign Merchants to be brought in, to give their Assistance to the Publick.


Lord Gray brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, as is desired.

Pass for Lady Crew.

Ordered, That the Lady Crew have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to go to her Husband, lying very sick at Oxon.

Citizens Propositions.

The Citizens were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the Horse, told them, "That their Propositions were of Importance, and such as deserved a farther Consideration; and that the House did find in them an Expression of great Affection and Zeal to the Publick: For which he was commanded to return them Thanks."

Earl of Warwick's Generalship.

A Message from the Lords by Sir Robert Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords do desire a Conference by Committees of both Houses presently in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Earl of Warwick's Generalship.


Answer returned by the same Messengers: That the House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Whitlock, are appointed Managers of the Conference desired by this House; and Reporters of the Conference desired by the Lords.

One Head of the Conference to be; To take Notice, how strange a Thing it appears to this House, that his Majesty should propound a Battle to his own Subjects; the Parliament sitting.

Pass for Marten.

Ordered, That Mrs. Mary Marten, with Four Children, and Two Servants, shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to go to Abingdon in the County of Berks.

Pass for Stanynoughe.

Ordered, That Mr. Peter Stanynoughe, a young Scholar lately elected from Westminster College to Christ Church in Oxon, shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to go to the University of Oxon, for the Advancement of his Studies.

Subscription for Lancashire.

Whereas the Lords and Commons are informed, That the Town of Manchester, and some other Parts within the County Palatine of Lancaster, have, for a long time, been at excessive Charges for the Defence of such as are well-affected to the Proceedings of Parliament, from the Injuries, Oppressions, illegal and exorbitant Practices of the Commissioners of Array, the Papists and other Malignant Persons within that County; and now, when their Power doth much increase be the general Rising of the Papists there, and therefore have great Need of a Supply of Strength, which was long since expected; yet, on the contrary, they will be forced to disband their Garison of Soldiers, which they have maintained as long as they are able, and so expose themselves not only to Violence of their Enemies, but much Dishonour of the Cause, and weaken the good Party; unless they have some present Supply of Money: Therefore it is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament, That such Money or Plate as Mr. Thomas Case, or any other Person, shall underwrite, for the Defence of Lancashire, and the Reducing of the Malignant Party there, they shall have the Publick Faith to be repaid with Satisfaction, after Eight Pounds per Cent.: And that Sir John Woolleston Knight, Alderman Warner, Alderman Towes, and Alderman Andrews, take such Subscriptions, and issue the same for the Use of the said County by Warrants under the Hands of any Four or more Members of this House, that serve for that County: Who are to give Order for the Disposing of the Monies, in the said County, so as may best conduce for the Service thereof; and to give Account thereof to the House of Commons.

Collector of Money.

Whereas James Penfole, High Collector for the Lath of Shepway, and Hundred annexed, in the County of Kent, of the Monies to come in upon the first Payment of the Bill of Four hundred thousand Pounds, did, by virtue of an Order from the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom, pay out of the said Monies which were then collected, and which he was bringing up to the Treasurers appointed by the Act, the Sum of Six hundred Pounds to Richard Dawkes, for the Safeguard of the Castle of Dover; and was, by an Order of the Seventh of October, to be repaid the said Sum, by the Treasurers for the Subscription Monies, out of the first Proposition Monies that shall be returned unto them, out of the County of Kent; the which Monies he hath not as yet received: It is therefore Ordered, That if the Treasurers for the Proposition Monies shall not satisfy and pay the said Monies, according to the Order aforesaid, of the Seventh of October, that then this House doth promise, and engage itself, to see him satisfied, and saved harmless, concerning the said Monies.

Trained Bands.

Ordered, That the Names of such Persons of the Trained Bands of Westminster and Middlesex, who refuse to appear upon the Commands of their Captains and Officers, shall be returned to the House, to be proceeded against for their Contempt.