House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 17 February 1643

Pages 968-969

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, 17 Februarii, 1642.


Tothill Fields Minister.

ORDERED, That this House doth allow and approve of the free Offer of Mr. Herle, a learned and orthodox Divine, to preach every Tuesday in the Afternoon at Four of Clock, in the New Church in Tothill Fields; and doth authorize the same accordingly.

Warrant to Ly. Crane.

Ordered, That the Lady Crane shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to carry down into the Country the Body of Sir Robert Crane, lately a Member of this House, and now deceased.

Ordinances of Assessment.

Mr. Strode is appointed to put the Lords in mind of the Ordinances for assessing of Monies through the Kingdom, and in the several Counties of Warwick, Stafford, Shropshire; and to take Notice of the Lords desiring a Common Council to be called for Providing of Monies.

Deferring Assizes.

Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Hill, and Mr. Young, are appointed to withdraw, to prepare an Ordinance for the Putting off the next Assizes generally through the whole Kingdom.

Person committed.

Ordered, That Dr. Soame, sent up a Prisoner from Windesore, be forthwith committed Prisoner to London House; there to remain during the Pleasure of the House.

Lord Lannerick.

A Letter from the Lord Gray, of the 14th of February, from Leicester, declaring the Staying of my Lord Lannerrick at Leicester; and the Occasions of it; was read: And

It is Ordered, That Mr. Nicoll do prepare a Letter, to be signed by Mr. Speaker, to be sent to my Lord Grey; to take Notice of what he has done; and to desire him to dismiss the Lord Lanerick: But, if he shall find any Persons in his Company, that may be justly suspected, to detain them.

Spanish Merchants, &c.

The humble Petition of Diego Excaray, and other Spanish Merchants, was this Day read; and referred to this Committee following;

Sir H. Vane, Mr. Cage, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Sam. Browne, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Rous, Mr. Lucas, Sir Tho. Soame, Mr. Bedingfield, Mr. Bond:

This Committee is to take into Consideration this Petition, and the whole Matter in Difference between the Spanish Ambassador and the Petitioners; and the Examinations of the whole Proceedings in the Court of Admiralty, and that the Spanish Ambassador have Notice hereof; and stay his Proceedings upon the Ne exeat regnum, in the mean time: And they are to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Star Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.

Dep. Lieuts. of Cambridge.

A Letter from the Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Cambridge was read: And

It is Ordered, That Mr. Pym, Sir Dudley North, Sir H. Vane, Sir H. Mildmay, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, do prepare an Order, in Answer to the Letter from the said Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Cambridge: And that Mr. Pym do write a Letter to the said Deputy Lieutenants, to encourage them to go on in the Way they are in: And to acquaint them, That this House has taken their Proposition into Consideration: and hath put it into a way to give them an Answer.


A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr. Bennett;

The Lords desire a present Conference by Committees of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Votes and Reasons sent from this House upon the Propositions.

Letter to Ld. Gray.

A Letter to be sent to my Lord Gray was read, and allowed of; and ordered to be fair written, for Mr. Speaker to sign.


Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Lord Roxe borough.

Resolved, &c. That the Lord of Roxeborough shall have Liberty to come from Oxford to London, to visit his Lady, and to stay three Days: And that this Licence shall extend to none but his own ordinary Servants: And that he shall likewise have Liberty to return.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Strode brings Answer, That the Lords do acknowledge, that they have sent into London, to call a Common Council, with a good Intent, to provide Monies for the publick Charge of the Army; and that, by reason of some intervenient Accident, they could not acquaint this House therewith: For this House taking Notice thereof, they do pretermit it: And do desire to keep all good Correspondence with this House: And as to the Ordinances, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.


Mr. Hampden, Mr. Holles, Mr. Pym, Sir Ph. Stapilton, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Petition to the King for deferring Assizes.

Mr. Whittlock reports, That the Lords do agree with this House in the Petition to his Majesty, concerning the Putting off the Assizes: And will take some good Care for the speedy Sending of it to his Majesty.

Treaty with the King.

Mr. Hollis reports from the Committee appointed to attend the Conference, That the Earl of Manchester, in the Name of the Lords, said, That a good Accord and Agreement was Necessary at all times, between both Houses: But now it is not only our Wisdom, but our Life: And therefore the Lords finding Reason not to recede from their former Resolution, they had now sent it down unto this House, with such Limitations, as they hoped would draw an Agreement from this House: Which was as followeth;

1. That, from the Beginning of the Treaty, the Time may not exceed Twenty Days.

2. That his Majesty's Propositions, concerning his Magazines, Towns, Forts and Ships, and the Proposition of both Houses, for the Disbanding of all Armies, may be first treated of.

3. That the remote Armies may be disbanded by the last of March; and sooner if it may be.

4. That the King's Army under the Command of the Earl of Forth, and the Army under the Command of the Earl of Essex, raised by Parliament, may be disbanded by the Tenth of April; and sooner, if it may be.

5. That there may be a present Cessation of all Acts of Hostility on both Sides, until the Treaty be ended: And that all other Things may continue in the same State, without any further Intercourse, or free Passage, than is at this present. -

Lords to sit.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to let you know, that their Lordships intend to sit this Afternoon at Four of Clock.-

Report to be considered.

Resolved, &c. That this Report, now made, shall be now taken into Consideration.

Winchester House Minister.

Ordered, That Thomas Davenish, who is by Ordinance of Parliament appointed Keeper of the Prison of Winchester House in Southwarke, shall be authorized by this Order, from time to time, to provide and appoint some orthodox and godly Minister to preach in the said House, for the Instruction of the Souls of the Prisoners: And shall also have Authority, by this Order, to prohibit any to preach there, that are not so qualified, as aforesaid; or that are not well-affected to the King and Parliament.

Students of Cambridge University.

Upon a Petition read in the House of Commons, January last the 23th, from divers Masters, Fellows, and other Students of the University of Cambridge;

It is Declared, by the said House, That the Statute made in the University of Cambridge, which imposeth the Wearing of Surplices upon all Graduates and Students, under several Pains, and reinforced by the Canons made 1603, ought not to be pressed or imposed upon any Student or Graduate; it being against Law, and the Liberty of the Subject. And it is therefore Ordered, That it shall not, for time to come, be pressed or imposed upon any Student or Gratuate whatsoever.

Exception to Member's Words.

The House took Exceptions to some Words spoken by Mr. Mountague, which reflected upon Mr. Long.

Whereupon, after some Debate, Mr. Montague rose up; and said, That he intended nothing of Ill to that Gentleman; and was very sorry, That he had given any Offence to the House: Wherewith the House was satisfied.


The Question being propounded, Whether that the House shall be forthwith resolved into a Committee, to take into Debate the Matter of the Report now made of the Conference with the Lords;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Ph. Stapilton, Tellers for the Yea: 73.
Mr. Purefroye, With the Yea,
Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Noe: 76.
Sir Jo. Holland. With the Noe.

So that the Question passed in the Negative.

Treaty with the King.

The Question being put, Whether there shall be a Treaty upon the Propositions, before the Disbanding; with this Limitation, That so much of his Majesty's Proposition as concerns the Magazines, Forts, and Ships, and the Propositions of both Houses for the Disbanding of the Armies, shall be first treated of, and concluded on, before the Proceeding to treat upon any of the other Propositions;

The House was divided: And

The Yeas went out.

Mr. Hollis, Tellers for the Yea, 86.
Sir Jo. Clatworthy,
Mr. Hampden, Tellers for the Noe, 83.
Mr. Martyn.

Whereupon it was Resolved, upon the Question, That there shall be a Treaty upon the Propositions, before the Disbanding; with this Limitation, That so much of his Majesty's Proposition as concerns the Magazines, Forts, and Ships, and the Proposition of both Houses for the Disbanding of the Armies, shall be first treated of, and concluded on, before the Proceeding to treat upon any of the other Propositions.