House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 9 September 1643

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 9 Septembris, 1648.


Leave of Absence.

ORDERED, That Mr. Whittacre shall have Leave to go into the Country, and to be absent for some Ten Days.

Dover Castle.

A Letter from Dover Castle of the Seventh of September, concerning Captain Rick. Dawkes of Dover, his Endeavour to keep the Castle for the King, was this Day read:

Persons sent for.

And it is Ordered, That Captain Rich. Dawkes be sent for in safe Custody; and that Henry Stokes be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent: And that the Examination of these Matters, concerning both these, be referred to the Committee for Examinations.

It is further Ordered, That Tho. Dawkes, Marshal of Dover Castle, be likewise brought up in safe Custody; and referred to the Examination of the Committee for Examinations.

Transactions with Scotland.

Two Letters from the Commissioners in Scotland, of the Twenty-ninth of August; the one concerning the Accounts of the Scots Army in Ireland; the other concerning the Proceedings of the Commissioners in Scotland, referring the House to the father Relation of Mr. Hatcher:

Ordered, That Mr. Hatcher do present his Papers concerning the Proceedings of the Commissioners in Scotland; and do make Report of that whole Business at that Time.

Ordered, That Sir Rob. Harley do go up to the Lords, to desire them to appoint a Committee, to join with a Committee of a proportionable Number of this House, to receive the Propositions from the Scotts Commissioners.

He is likewise to put the Lords in mind of the Covenant, lately sent from the Commissioners, now in Scotland.

Buckingham Committees.

He likewise carried up the additional Names of some Committees for Bucks: And to desire them to sit a while.

Proceedings concerning Holt.

The humble Petition of Alexander Holt, Goldsmith, concerning some Plate, Monies, Jewels, and other Goods of his, seized upon Information of his Discovery of ill Affections to the Proceedings of Parliament, was this Day read; and the Witnesses to maintain the Charge against him called in: And upon hearing all that they could say; and upon Consideration of the whole Matter;

It is Resolved, &c. That Mr. Holte shall be forthwith restored to all his Goods, Money, Plate, and Jewels; and that Sir Rob. Harley, in whose Custody they now are, do forthwith make Restitution unto him of all his Goods, Plate, Money, and Jewels, accordingly.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Holte shall be forthwith discharged from any further Restraint.

Captain Fullwood.

Resolved, &c. That my Lord General shall be forthwith desired to discharge Captain Fullwood from the Service of the Parliament; and to revoke his Commission.

Morley's Fine.

Forasmuch as Sir Wm. Morley hath submitted himself to the Mercy of this House, for his Offences and Delinquency; and hath voluntarily offered to undergo such a Fine as this House would impose upon him for the same: Which Submission of his, and the Manner thereof, was certified to this House, under the Hands of divers Members of this House, and others, Committees of the County of Sussex: It is thereupon Ordered, That the said Sir Wm. Morley shall pay unto the Garison of Portsmouth One thousand Pounds, in full Discharge of his Offences and Delinquency, viz. Six hundred Pounds presently, and Four hundred Pounds within Fourteen Days. And thereupon the said Sir Wm. Morley is to be discharged of the Sequestration of his Estate, and to be restored to the Possession thereof, by the Committee of Sequestration of Delinquents Estates in that County.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Rob. Harley brings Answer, That the Lords have named Two of their House to be a Committee, to join with a Committee of a proportionable Number of this House, to receive the Propositions from the Scotts Commissioners: As to the Covenant, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And do agree to the additional Names of the Committees for the County of Bucks: And will sit awhile.

Transactions with Scotland.

Ordered, That Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Pym, Sir Gilb. Gerard, and Sir Jo. Clotworthy, be appointed to be a Committee, to join with a Committee of a proportionable Number of the Lords, to receive the Propositions from the Commissioners that are come out of Scotland.

Proceedings concerning Holt.

The Question being put, whether the whole Matter of the Business concerning Mr. Holt, shall be referred to a Committee;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Jo. Wray, Mr. Stevens, Tellers for the Yea: With the Yea, 29.
Sir Tho. Dacres, Mr. Maynard, Tellers for the Noe: With the Noe, 34.

So that it was resolved negatively.

Sentence against Berkely.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords will be ready on Monday Morning, at Ten of the Clock, to give Sentence against Mr. Justice Berkely, if this House shall come to demand it.


Ordered, That the Report of the Antinomian Business, be made on Monday Morning next.

Loan by Merchant Adventurers.

The humble Answer of the Governor, Assistants, and Fellowship of Merchant Adventurers of England, to the Propositions of the Committee for the Advance of Monies upon the Credit of the Customs; and a Conceipt of theirs annexed, touching the Confirmation of their Privileges and Charters, by Ordinance for the present, and by Act of Parliament for the future, the better to enable the said Company to do the Service of advancing the said Monies demanded; were all this Day read:

And it is Ordered, That the further Consideration of this Business be resumed on Monday Morning; and that it be referred to the Committee for Advance of Monies upon the Credit of the Customs, to consider of this Business further in the mean time this Afternoon; and to treat further with the Merchants Adventurers: And that Mr. Whittlock be added to this Committee.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Sir Walther Erle shall have Liberty to go into the Country, and to be absent from the Service of the House.

Proceedings against Sir E. Bainton.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Sir Edw. Bainton, sent for up into safe Custody, shall have Liberty to come into the House; and, in his Place, to hear the Charge that is against him.

He came in accordingly: And a Letter from the Isle of Wight, from Mr. Lisle, and Colonel Carne, of the Twenty-eighth of August; taxing him, that he had said, that the Lord Say and Mr. Pym had betrayed the West, and the North; and that he had spoke many other Words of dangerous Consequence; was read unto him. And, being demanded, whether he had spoke those Words, charged upon him, answered, He did not speak them, as they were there laid down. Being then demanded, what he had spoken to that Purpose, answered, That he had learned, since he had set here, that he ought not to speak any Thing here that reflected to the Prejudice of another Member; and therefore desired to be excused, unless he were enjoined and commanded. Whereupon he was enjoined to speak the whole Truth: And then he said, That he did not say that Mr. Pym had betrayed the West; but that he had betrayed his Country; which he did, by being a Means of detaining him in Prison, who only was able to maintain and preserve that County, till the said County was quite lost; notwithstanding many Orders made for his bringing up:- As for betraying the North, he knew nothing more of that, than he had heard in the House; which sounded bad enough.

And being afterwards again called down; expressed himself, that be understood thereby the Offer of the Lord Savile, and Sir Wm. Savile, to deliver up, to the Parliament Forces, Yorke, and the whole County, if they might come without Prejudice to their Persons, or Estates. He further said, That he had heard it said and affirmed with solid and deep Oaths and Protestations, that my Lord Cottington had treated with his Majesty for the Pardon of my Lord Say and Mr. Pym; and that if they had had the Preferments they expected, we had not... brought to the Condition we now are in. And being demanded from whom he heard this; answered, It was from my Lord Grandison's Brother, Lieutenant Colonel Brett, and Serjeant Major Jaques, all Officers of the King's Army, and Prisoners with him at Gloucester.

Mr. Pym protested solemnly, that he never had Intercourse with my Lord Cottington, by any one Means or other, since the Difference between the King and the Parliament; and that he never received but Two Messages from him, since the Parliament begun; the one was by Sir Arth. Ingram, long before he died; the other, by Sir Ben. Rudyard.

Sir Edw. Bainton was again called down; and demanded, Whether he spoke not the Words, charged in the "Information, that the Committee that sent for him, had "no more Power over him than so many Dogs;" answered, That he spake not the Words, as they were charged in the Information.

Resolved, &c. That this Charge laid upon Mr. Pym, by Sir Edw. Baynton, is a scandalous and false Charge.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Edw. Bainton shall be forthwith sent to the Tower, there to remain a Prisoner during the Pleasure of the House.

Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Rous, Mr. Rob. Goodwyn, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Wheeler, Sir Rob. Pye, Mr. Hodges, Sir Nevile Poole, Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Sir Rob. Harley, Sir H. Heyman, Mr. Stevens, Sir Wm. Lewes, Mr. Sam. Browne;

This Committee is appointed to examine the whole Matter in Charge against Sir Edw. Baynton, not yet determined of; and to consider what fit Reparations are to be farther made to Mr. Pym, before Sir Edw. Baynton be discharged: And are to meet on Monday at Three of Clock in the Exchequer Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, &c.

The Question being put, whether Sir Edw. Bainton shall be now called to the Bar, and thence sent to the Tower;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Arth. Heselrig, Mr. Rous, Tellers for the Yea: With the Yea, 20.
Mr. Long, Mr. Wheeler, Tellers for the Noe: With the Noe, 40.

So that the Question passed with the Negative.

Artillery Officers.

Ordered, That the Petition of the Officers of the Train of Artillery in Ireland, be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, where Mr. Jo. Goodwyn has the Chair.

Spratt's Petition.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Stephen Spratt, a Prisoner in Newgate, by the Lords Order, be referred to the Committee for Prisoners.

Officers Arrears.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Accounts, to examine the Accounts of the Arrears of all the Officers under the Command of Sir Wm. Waller; and to consider, which are fittest to be paid, and what Sums; and likewise to consider for the satisfying and discharging of their several Quarters.

Goods seized.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Rob. Aldworth, Son of Richard Aldworth, now Mayor of Bristoll, concerning some Goods of his, seized aboard the Fellowship of Bristoll, and since taken by the Swallowe, in Service of the Parliament, this Day presented to the House, be referred to the Committee for the Navy; to answer, and examine, what Goods, in the said Ship, are truly and properly the Goods of the said Richard Aldworth; and to give Order that such Goods, as, upon Proof, they shall find to be his, may be forthwith delivered unto the Petitioner, for the Use of the said Rob. Aldworth.

It is likewise referred to the same Committee, to give Order, that such Trunks, or Goods, laden aboard the same Ship, as shall, upon Proof, appear to be the Trunks, or Goods, of Mrs. Vicarage of Bristoll, be forthwith delivered unto her the said Mrs. Vicarage.

Letters to be read.

Ordered, That the Kentish Letters be read on Monday Morning next.