House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 16 September 1643

Pages 243-244

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 16 Septembris, 1643.


Debt to Turner, &c.

AN Ordinance for paying and satisfying a Debt of Forty thousand and Fifty-one Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Eight-pence, due to Mr. Rich. Turner the elder, and Mr. Rich. Turner the younger, and others, for cloathing the Commanders and Soldiers in Ireland, out of the concealed Estates of such Persons, whose Estates are sequestrable by the Ordinances of Sequestrations; and shall be discovered by them, and their Industry only, was this Day read; and re-committed, upon the whole Matter of the Debate, to the same Committee: And they are to meet upon it on Monday next, at Three post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Loan by Merchant Adventurers.

Mr. Green presented to the House the Answer of the Fellowship of Merchant Adventurers to the Committee of the Navy, concerning their advancing Sixty thousand Pounds upon the Credit of the Customs: The which was read.

And, after the Reading, the Reporter said, that he had Conference with them about some Expressions in their Answer that were doubtful; viz. where they say, "that such and such Things being done, they hope Ability will be added to their ready Will to serve the Parliament:" They say, their Intention is, and they will undertake, notwithstanding that Expression, to furnish the Money desired. The next was, that Expression, "except in the Salary, which is submitted to a new Agreement." They say they do accept of the Salary offered by the Vote of this House.

The Answer was read, but not accepted of, in regard the Security they desired was engaged by former Ordinance.

Advance from Customs.

Sir Arth. Heselrig reports from the Committee appointed to treat with the Commissioners of the Customs, for the Advance of Monies upon the Credit of the Customs, that he doubts not, but that if a Committee were appointed to treat with them, that the present Commissioners of the Customs would advance Thirty thousand Pounds presently; and that a Course will be found out to supply the Necessities of the Navy for the future.

Sir H. Vane, Mr. Holland, Mr. Strode, Mr. Long, Mr. Bond, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Trenchard, Mr. Blakiston, Sir H. Heyman, Sir Walth. Erle, Mr. Hoyle, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Sir Arth. Heselrig, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Gourdon. Mr. Rose, Mr. Green;

This Committee is appointed to treat with the present Commissioners of the Customs, how the present Necessities of the Navy may be supplied, and the Occasions of the Navy upheld for the future: And are to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock in the Star Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records.

Earl of Denbigh.

Mr. Moore is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire that the Earl of Denbigh may be sent to his Charge.

A Me . . . . * * * *.


The Lords having been informed by the Earl of Pembroke his Housekeeper, that Mr. Withers is now going to search Whitehall: Their Lordships Intention is, not that any Goods of any Malignant should be protected, or concealed, but that the King's own proper Goods may not be removed or meddled with: And in pursuance thereof, and of their former Desire, they desire that one Lord of their House, with Two Members of this House, might be present at the searching of Whitehall.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will appoint Two Members of their House, to go with a Member of the Lords House, to be present at the searching of Whitehall, according to the Lords Desire.

Mr. Gourdon, Mr. Trenchard, are appointed to go with a Member of the Lords House, to be present at the searching of Whitehall.

Transactions with Scotland.

A Letter from the Commissioners now in Scotland, and divers Papers inclosed.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Mr. Hatcher, Sir Hen. Vane, Mr. Strode, Mr. Tate, Sir Wm. Strickland, Mr. Jo. Goodwyn, Mr. Reynolds, * Rob. Goodwyn, Mr. Corbett;

This Committee is appointed to consider of the Letters from the Commissioners in Scotland, and the Papers inclosed; and to represent the State of them to the House, and to report their Opinions what is fit to be done upon the whole State of the Business: And are to meet on Monday, at Seven of the Clock, in the inner Court of Wards.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of the Proceedings of the Commissioners of both Houses, now in Scotland, in the securing of the Town of Barwicke: And that it is an acceptable Service to both Kingdoms in the doing thereof.

Resolved, &c. That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.

Holy Island.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of the Service done by Captain Shaftoe in the taking of Holy Island; and will save him from Indemnity for the same.


Ordered, That the several Committees for Sequestrations do forthwith cause to be sold, all such Goods as are sequestred and seized, for the raising of Eight thousand Pounds for the Lord Fairefax; and that the said Committees for Sequestrations, or their Agents, shall deliver Inventories of all Goods remaining in their Hands, which cannot be presently sold, unto Mr. White, Agent for the Lord Fairfax; who is hereby desired to take care, that, for the future, no Time be neglected by those that are intrusted with the Sale of the said Goods, but that they be forthwith sold to the best Advantage; and to inform the House wherein he finds any Obstructions.

Ordered, That the Goods of the Earl of Bedford's, that were lately seized at Bedford-house, and the Trunks and other Goods of his, seized in Mr. Trenchard's House, shall be forthwith sold, and disposed of by the Committee of Sequestrations for Westminster, for the Use of the Commonwealth, for the raising of Monies for the Lord Fairfax: And

It is further Ordered, That Five hundred Pounds of the Proceed of the said Goods to be sold, shall be deposited in the Hands of Mr. Trenchard, and he not to dispose of it without further Order from the House; and the Residue to be paid to Mr. White, Agent for the Lord Fairfax.

Sir Hugh Pollard.

Ordered, That Sir Hugh Pollard be forthwith committed to the Tower of London, there to be kept in safe Custody: and that the Serjeant do presently remove him thither.

Prisoners in the Tower.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor have Copies of all former Orders made concerning the Restraint of the Prisoners in the Tower; and my Lord Mayor and Sheriffs are to observe the former Orders.

Fines on Members.

Whereas Two hundred Pounds Fine was formerly set upon Sir Charles LeGrosse, and Two hundred Pounds Fine on Mr. Catlyn, both Members of this House, for their not Attendance on the House; which said Sums are not yet paid: It is this Day Ordered, That the said Four hundred Pounds shall be levied on the Estates of the said Sir Charles Le Grosse, and Mr. Catlyn, respectively; and be paid to Sir Jo. Meldrun, upon Account, in Discharge of his Arrears: And the Earl of Manchester and Sir Wm. Constable are desired to give Order to some under their Command, to be aiding and assisting in the levying of the said Monies; to the End of the said Sir Jo. Meldrun may be speedily dispatched to the Lord Fairfaxe.

Sir Hugh Pollard.

(fn. 1) Ordered, That Sir Hugh Pollard be not removed out of the Tower, till my Lord Fairfaxe receive a positive Answer concerning the Offer made to my Lord of Newcastle by my Lord Fairefaxe, for the Exchange of Sir Jo. Savile, and others for him; and the same signified by my Lord Fairfaxe.


  • 1. This Order is entered again on the Eighteenth Day of this Month.