House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 18 September 1643

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 18 Septembris, 1643.


Minister &c. of Charter House.

ORDERED, That a Sequestration be brought in, for the sequestring of the Minister and Readers, and Organist's Place of the Charter House: And that the Master of the Charter House do permit such as this House shall appoint to execute the said Places: And that the Receiver do pay the Profits belonging to the said Places, to such as this House shall appoint to receive the same.

Reports, &c. referred.

Ordered, That the several Reports, made by Mr. Hatcher, concerning the Business of Scotland, and the Affairs of the Army in Ireland; and all the Papers presented by him, concerning those Businesses; be referred to the Consideration of the Committee.

Medwinter's Petition.

Ordered, That Medwinter's Petition be referred to the Examination and Consideration of the Committee for Examinations.

Crewe's Assessment.

The humble Petition of Randall Crewe of Hatcham, in the County of Surry, Gent. was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Twentieth Part at Southwarke, to review the Assessment, and to assess him according to the real and true Proportion: And

It is further Ordered, That what shall be so set upon him (Consideration being had of his Estate) shall be allowed him, out of the Monies due unto him, from the Estate, for Commodities furnished to the Navy.

Letters to Massie, &c.

The Copies of Letters to be sent to Colonel Massie, Governor of Gloucester, and to the Mayor of Gloucester, were this Day read; and by Vote upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker.

Clergy of Ireland.

An Ordinance for the Relief of the distressed Clergy of Ireland was read; and, upon the Question assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Leigh's Sequestration.

Ordered, That Mr. Busby do pay the several Sums . . Money, due by him to Sir Fr. Leigh, for Wood, whose Estate is sequestred, to the Treasurers at Guildhall London: And this House doth undertake to save the said Mr. Busby harmless.

Strode's Petition.

The humble Petition of Colonel Wm. Strode, was this Day read; and referred to the Consideration of this Committee: And it is further referred to this Committee, to consider what Monies have been raised in Sommersettshire and Wiltshire; and how disbursed and expended:

Mr. Ashe, Sir Nevile Poole, Mr. Strode, Sir H. Heyman, Sir Christ. Yelverton, Mr. Trenchard, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Vassall, Sir Jo. Corbett, Mr. Rolle, Sir Hen. Ludlow, Mr. Whittlock, Sir Wm. Strickland, Mr. Buller, Mr. Niclas, Mr. Lisle; the Knights and Burgesses of Wiltshire, and Sommersettshire; And are to meet To-morrow at Two post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses.

Richmond Park.

Ordered, That Sir Jo. Dingley, Mr. Drake, and Sir Matthew Brent, do take care for the Preservation of the Park', Deer, and Woods within the Park at Richmond; and to depute, such Persons for the Preservation of the said Places, as they shall think fit: And the Trained Bands, and all other Persons, are required to be aiding and assisting in the preserving thereof.

Isle of Wight.

Ordered, That an Ordinance be brought into the House by Mr. Lisle, whereby the weekly Assessment shall be passed to the Inhabitants in the Isle of Wight, according to the Desire of the Petitioners; and for the passing the other Propositions in the said Petition: And it is referred to the Committee of the Navy, to provide the Thirty Pieces of Ordnance, Twenty Sacres, and Ten Culverine, and Ammunition, desired for the Isle of Wight, that it may be speedily sent down thither.

Vintners, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, do call before them the Master and Wardens of the Company of Vintners and Clothworkers, and require them forthwith to pay the Monies that are behind of the last Loan; as also such other Arrears as those Two Companies are behind withal, upon other Occasions; and to represent to this House, what Obstructions they find in the Non-payment thereof: And that the Serjeant at Arms do give them Notice hereof: And that they be required to attend the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, this Afternoon, at Three Clock.

Scotch Affairs.

Memorandum. Mr. Jones received from me this Morning Nineteen Papers concerning the Scotch Affairs, being sent for the same by the Committee to whom they were referred.

Sir Hugh Pollard.

Ordered, That Sir Hugh Pollard be not removed out of the Tower till my Lord Fairfaxe receive a positive Answer concerning the Offer made to my Lord of Newcastle, for the Exchange of Sir Jo. Savile, and others for him; and the same so signified by the Lord Fairfaxe.

Major Welden.

Ordered, That the Consideration of the Manifestation of Major Anthony Welden be referred, upon the whole Matter, to the Examination of the Committee where Sir Henry Cholmley has the Chair; who are to meet upon it: And the Gentlemen that serve for Kent are added to this Committee.

Advance by Ashe, &c.

Ordered, That if the Goods, that are the Adventurers in the East India Trade of Malignants and Delinquents, shall not be sufficient to satisfy the Four thousand Pounds, advanced by Mr. Ashe, and some other Members of this House, that then what shall not be secured and satisfied upon those Goods, shall be repaid and satisfied out of the Ten thousand Pounds, formerly assigned to Sir Wm. Waller, out of the Monies that come in upon the Twentieth Part.

Sir John Oglander.

Resolved, &c. That Sir John Oglander shall be forthwith sent for in safe Custody.

Money for Plymouth.

Ordered, That Mr. Vassall do move the Lord Mayor and the City, this Afternoon, to speed away the Supply of the Four thousand Pounds, formerly assigned to Plymouth, out of the Fifty thousand Pounds lent by the City.

Army Pay.

Ordered, That in all the Counties where a Body of Horse is to be raised, by virtue of the late Ordinances, that the particular Counties shall raise Pay for the Officers, as well as for the Soldiers.

Letter referred.

Ordered, That the Letter from Sir Edward Bois, of the Fourteenth of September, and the Examinations sent up with the said Letter, be referred to the Committee for Examinations.

Military Affairs.

A Letter from my Lord General the Earl of Essex, from Cirencester, of the Sixteenth of September; relating the Surprizal of the Town of Cirencester, and Two Regiments of Horse of Sir Nicholas Crispe's and Colonel Spencer's, and Forty Load of Victuals, above Four hundred Horse, their Officers, and all their Colours, was this Day read.

Kent Assessments.

Ordered, That such Persons in the County of Kent, as shall put the Collectors to distrain for the Payments of the Assessments, set by Ordinances of Parliament, upon Report thereof to the House, the House will take Course for the Sequestration of their Estates.

Ordered, That Inability of Sesses in the County of Kent, the Debtor be enjoined to disburse the Sum assessed upon the Creditor; and that the Creditor shall allow it upon Account.


An Ordinance for passing unto the present Commissioners of the Customs, the Credit and Collection of the Customs until our Lady-day 1645; for securing the Monies advanced, or to be advanced by them; was this Day read; and, by Vote upon the Question, assented unto.

Money for Navy.

Ordered, That Mr. Gourdon and Mr. Blakiston do take with them the Deputy Treasurer of the Navy, and repair to the Tellers Offices of the Exchequer; and take what Monies are remaining in any or all their Offices; and cause the same to be forthwith paid to the said Deputy Treasurer of the Navy, upon Account, for the Use of the Navy.

Clergy of Ireland.

Sir Simonds D'Ewes carried up to the Lords, the Ordinance for the Relief of the poor Clergy of Ireland.

Navy Committee.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy do sit, and proceed in their Businesses; and that all the Members of the House, that are of that Committee, do diligently attend that Committee: And it is referred to that Committee to send for the old Customers, and to require them to pay the Debts owing by them; and to receive their Answer, and to report it the House.

Scotch Covenant.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Aylett;

The Lords have agreed with this House, in all Things concerning the Scots Covenant.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to treat with the Scots Commissioners, do acquaint them, that both Houses have passed the Covenant; and do treat and consider with them what is fit to be further done upon the Covenant; and what further Instructions are fit to be given to the Commissioners in Scotland.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Five, with the Addition of Sir Henry Mildmay, Mr. Long, and Sir Walter Erle, to examine and consider of the Information given to this House touching a Petition that is in framing and subscribing against the Scotts Covenant: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c: And are to take Course for the suppressing of the said Petition, and the Proceedings upon it, in the Beginning of the Discovery of the Authors and Actors in it; and are to seize the original Petition, and all Copies of it, into their Hands; and are to make a speedy Report of this Business to the House.

Advance from Customs.

Ordered, That the present Commissioners of the Customs do this Afternoon pay Ten thousand Pounds, Part of the Thirty thousand Pounds to be advanced by them to the Deputy Treasurer of the Navy; and that an Acquittance, under the Hand of the said Deputy Treasurer, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners.

Lords agree to Ordinance.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr, Aylett;

The Lords have returned the Ordinance they have received from this House: The which they agree unto, with a Proviso; which they have herewithal sent.

The Proviso was read; and, by Vote upon the Question, assented.

Answer returned by the Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Proviso sent down to the Ordinance concerning Hertfordshire.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Long carried up to the Lords the Ordinance concerning the Commissioners of the Customs; and the additional Ordinance to the Ordinance of Excise.

Answers from Lords.

Sir Symonds D'Ewes brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Ordinance for the Relief of the poor distressed Ministers of Ireland.

Mr. Long brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Two Ordinances carried up by him.

Associated Counties.

The Ordinance for the Addition of Lincolnshire to the Five associated Counties, and for raising of Monies to pay the associate Forces, was read; and re-committed, as to the Names.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth assent unto the Matter of this Ordinance.

Ordered, That an Ordinance be brought in for the associating of Kent with other Counties.

Charge against Lord Say, &c.

Mr. Gray, the Minister, was called in: And informed the House, That one Mr. Colman told him, that my Lord Say and Mr. Pym had transported Three Millions beyond Sea, as he heard: But Mr. Gray said, He knew nothing of his own Knowledge.

Mr. Coleman was called in; and informed the House, That one Toby Mills, a Barber, told him, That my Lord Say and Mr. Pym had transported Three Millions beyond Sea; and that he could prove it: But Mr. Coleman saith, He knoweth nothing himself.

Ordered, That Toby Mills Barber, be forthwith sent for in safe Custody, by the Serjeant at Arms.

Ordered, That Mr. Coleman the younger shall be summoned to attend the House To-morrow Morning.

Ordered, That the Committee, appointed to examine the Business of transporting of Treasure beyond Seas, do make their Report on Wednesday Morning next: And Sir Henry Cholmley is to have Notice of this Order.

Ordered, That Mr. Gray, the Divine, do attend the House To-morrow Morning.

Persons to be examined.

Sir Henry Vane, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Sir Henry Heyman, and Sir Peter Wroth, are appointed to go out, and to examine the Party that is apprehended, that hath spoken Words of some Members of the Parliament.

Church Government.

Upon serious Consideration of the present State and Conjuncture of the Affairs of this Kingdom, the Lords and Commons, assembled in this present Parliament, do order, That the Assembly of Divines, and others, do forthwith confer and treat among themselves, of such a Discipline and Government as may be most agreeable to God's holy Word, and most apt to procure and preserve the Peace of the Church at Home, and nearer Agreement with the Church of Scotland, and other reformed Churches abroad, to be settled in this Church, in Stead and Place of the present Church Government by Archbishops, Bishops, their Chancellors, Commissaries, Deans, Deans and Chapters, Archdeacons, and other Ecclesiastical Officers depending upon the Hierarchy, which is resolved to be taken away; and touching and concerning the Directory of Worship or Liturgy hereafter to be in the Church; and to deliver their Opinions and Advices of and touching the same, to both or either House of Parliament, with all the convenient Speed they can.

Loan for Navy.

Sir Henry Vane presents from the Committee appointed to treat with the present Commissioners, how the present Necessities of the Navy may be supplied, and the Occasions of the Navy upheld, for the future, the Commissioners humble Proposition, in hæc Verba; viz.

That, receiving what they ought to receive, by virtue of the several Ordinances of both Houses of Parliament already passed concerning them, they are contented (notwithstanding all former Discouragements) to advance, by way of Loan, Thirty thousand Pounds, towards Supply of the pressing Necessity of the Navy, if it shall seem fit, that, for their Encouragement, Security, and Reimbursement, an Ordinance may pass both Houses, according to That which is herewith presented: Wherein, if any thing be disliked, they shall humbly submit to the Alteration thereof, or shew Cause to the contrary.


Whereas Thomas Andrews, John Fowke, Richard Chambers, Wm. Berkley, Aldermen of the City of London; Maurice Thompson, Francis Allein, James Russell, and Stephen Estwick, Merchants; are ordained and constituted to be Collectors and Commissioners, enabled to receive all such Sums of Money as shall be paid for Customs, or advanced by way of Loan, or otherwise, for or in respect of Goods and Merchandize exported out of, and imported into, the Port of London, and all other Ports within the Realm of England, Dominion of Wales, and Town of Berwick: The said Commissioners, receiving what they ought to receive by virtue of the several Ordinances of both Houses of Parliament already passed, concerning them, are contented to advance, by Way of Loan, Thirty thousand Pounds towards Supply of the pressing Necessities of the Navy: It is thereupon Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Commissioners shall repay unto themselves, by way of Defalcation, out of the one half of the said Receipts, the aforesaid Sum of Thirty thousand Pounds, with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for a Year, at the End of Six Months next to be elapsed and expired. And for the further Encouragement and Security of the said Commissioners, it is likewise Ordained, by the said Lords and Commons, That the said Commissioners shall continue in the said Employment until the Twentyfifth of March 1645; and shall not then be displaced, nor dismissed from the said Employment, without Order of both Houses of Parliament; nor until they be reimbursed the said Thirty thousand Pounds, with Interest, as aforesaid, and all other Sums which shall be due unto them. And it is likewise Ordained, That, as well the Ordinance concerning the Subsidy of Tonnage and Poundage, with such Alterations as the said Lords and Commons shall think fit; as also, the other several Ordinances herein mentioned; in all other Things shall stand and continue in full Force and Power, to all Intents and Purposes, during all the time aforesaid.