House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 30 November 1643

Pages 324-326

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, ultimo Novembris, 1643.


Answer to Lords.

ANSWER returned by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr. Aylett, to the Message they brought on Tuesday last; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Alteration of the Oath, - to the Earl of Rutland's being one of the Commissioners for the Great Seal: And have referred the Lady Chandos her Petition to the Committee of Sequestrations, as is desired.

Newport Pannell Garison.

Sir Philip Stapilton moved from my Lord General, that in regard of the King's drawing all his Forces together; and that he may have his own Army at Liberty, for Defence of the Parliament and City; that the Hertfordshire Regiment about Luton * * * *.

Resolved, &c. That the Hertfordshire Regiment, lying near Luton, shall be forthwith sent into Newport Pannell, for the Defence and Safety of that Garison, until the Garison can be otherwise settled, according to the Ordinance; and that the said Regiment shall be paid by the associated Counties, according to the Ordinance for settling the said Garison; and that, if that Regiment shall not be sufficient, that then so many Forces out of Bedfordshire shall be sent into the said Garison, as shall be thought, by my Lord General, to be sufficient for the Safety of that Garison.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Lucas' Sequestration.

Resolved, &c. That the Estate of Sir Tho. Lucas ought to be sequestered, for setting his Hand, and consenting to the Cessation in Ireland: And that Mr. Barrington of Colchester have a particular Care herein.

Raising Forces.

Ordered, That the Committee in Sussex shall raise the Proportion of Eight hundred and Fifty Foot, set upon them, either by Press or Voluntiers: And that Sir Tho. Parker is to desire my Lord General to grant his Warrants for pressing their Proportion: And he is likewise to write to Sir Wm. Waller, to send Officers to receive them as they are levied.

The like is ordered for Surry.

Message to Lords.

Sir Philip Stapilton is appointed to carry up to the Lords the Order concerning Hertfordshire Regiment, to be sent into Newport: The Order concerning Two thousand Pounds upon the Excise, for Sir Wm. Waller: And was to desire the Lords to appoint a Time (according to the Ordinance) for the Delivery of the Great Seal.

Military Affairs.

He had delivered to him, to deliver to my Lord General, Sir H. Anderson's Propositions for ending this War; and the Copy of his Letter to Sir H. Anderson.

French Ambassador.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr. Aylett;

The Lords desire a Conference by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Prince D'Harcourt. -

Sussex Petition.

The Petition of the Well-affected of the County of Sussex was this Day read; and referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom.

Letters of Marque.

An Ordinance to enable all Persons, approved of by Parliament, to set forth Ships for the guarding of the Seas, &c. was this Day read the Third time; and, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords, for their Concurrence, by Sir H. Vane.

Money for Army.

An Ordinance for securing Two thousand Pounds, borrowed upon the Credit of the Excise, and assigned to Sir Wm. Waller, was this Day read; and, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence: And was carried up by Sir Philip Stapilton.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Philip Stapilton brings Answer; That the Lords do agree to the Ordinance concerning the Hertfordshire Regiment, &c. to be sent to Newport Pannell; to the Ordinance concerning the Two thousand Pounds, upon the Excise, to Sir Wm. Waller; and desire that the Business, concerning the Delivery of the Great Seal, may be presently.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords commanded us to put you in mind, that, for a good while since, a Petition was by them recommended unto you, on the Behalf of the Earl of Nottingham, to take his Estate into Consideration, for the Support of his Honour: They desire That Petition may be taken into a speedy Consideration.

They have received a Petition from certain Sea Captains, who have done very good Service this last Summer, as appears by the Testimony of the Lord Admiral the Earl of Warwicke: Which they desire to take into their Consideration.

Earl of Nottingham.

Ordered, That the Consideration of the Estate and Condition of the Earl of Nottingham, be referred to the Committee for his Majesty's Revenue; to think of some speedy and effectual Course for the Support of his Honour: And they are to give a speedy Account hereof to the House.-

Answers to Lords.

Answer returned by the First Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting at a Conference, as is desired.-

Answer returned by the Second Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and, as to the Business concerning the Earl of Nottingham, they have referred it to a Committee; and will send Answer speedily, by Messengers of their own: And, as to the Petition from the Sea Commanders, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.


Mr. Holles, Sir Philip Stapilton, are appointed Reporters of the Conference.

Great Seal.

The House understanding, that the Gentleman Usher of the Lords House was at the Door, he was called in; and acquainted the House, that, if this House were ready to bring up the Great Seal, they are ready to receive it.

League and Covenant.

Ordered, That the Ministers, in the several Parishes within the Bills of Mortality, do, on the next Lord's Day, in the Afternoon, tender the solemn League and Covenant in the several Churches and Chapels within the Bills of Mortality, to such as have not yet taken it: And that the Minister and Church-wardens of every Parish be required, on Wednesday next, to return, to the House of Commons, the Names of all such, in their several Parishes, as have not taken, or shall then refuse to take, the Covenant: And the Ministers, Lecturers, and Curates, in the said several Parishes, that have not yet taken the Covenant, are required then to take it; and, if any of them refuse, or further delay the taking of the same, then the Church-wardens of those Parishes are required to return, to this House, in Writing, the Names of such Ministers, Lecturers, and Curates, as so refuse: And the several Ministers, in the said several Parishes, are to give Notice of this Order publickly, on the next Lord's Day, in the Forenoon: And this Order to be printed and published, and sent to the Ministers of the several Parishes.

Ordered, That the Assembly of Divines be desired to send such Divines of the Assembly to preach, and tender the Covenant, in such Churches where the Ministers thereof refuse to take or tender the same.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Hen. Vane reports, that the Lords will send an Answer to the Ordinance for setting forth of Ships to Sea, by Messengers of their own.

French Embassy.

Mr. Hollis reports the Conference with the Lords concerning the Prince De Harecourt:

"That my Lord Northumberland had acquainted the Lords, that the French Ambassador had sent Monsieur De Cressey to him, to desire him to propound something from the French Ambassador to the Parliament. My Lord Northumberland told him, he could not, because an Order had passed both Houses, that, if any foreign Minister would send any thing to either House, it must be subscribed, and directed to the Speaker: But Monsieur De Cressey said, that he had heard of such an Order; but that the Prince De Harecourt did not conceive himself to be included in that Order, because it related only to ordinary Ambassadors, treating for the particular Business of their Masters: But the Prince D'Harecourt came hither for the Business of this Kingdom, and the Good of this Kingdom; and did conceive he was not within that Order; and therefore did desire my Lord Northumberland to present so much to the Lords: Which he did in private, before the Lords sat: And they commanded him to relate it to their House; and, at a Conference, to this House: Which he did: And further said, the Lords had taken it into a Consideration; and desired there might be a Committee of both Houses, to receive any thing the Prince D' Harecourt desires to impart to both Houses. One thing I forgot to acquaint you withal, which was delivered at the Conference; That the Prince D'Harecourt did think it strange, that, having received so fair an Answer, that, at the same time, he should be debarred from further Communication; and that, if he did subsign any thing, he was in the Nature of a Petitioner.

The Question being put, Whether this House should agree with the Lords, in appointing a Committee, as is desired, at this Conterence;

It passed with the Negative.

Payment to Massy.

Ordered, That Mr. Benjamin Brand shall forthwith pay unto Mr. Thomas Hodges, one of the Committee for the Garison of Glocester, the Sum of One hundred and Eight Pounds, Parcel of Two hundred and Eight Pounds, due by him to be paid upon the Twenty-third of Instant November, by Obligation of Four hundred Pounds, unto Horatio Cary, who is in actual War against the Parliament: And the said Mr. Hodges is to pay unto Colonel Massy, Governor of Glocester, One hundred Pounds thereof, by the Hands of his Brother Robert Massy, in London, as Part of the first Five hundred Pounds given to him by this House: And this House will save the said Mr. Brand harmless for Payment thereof; and discharge him of any Delinquency for concealing and disposing of the other One hundred Pounds, contrary to an Ordinance of Parliament touching Sequestration of Delinquents Estates.

Assembly of Divines.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in parliament, That the Treasurers at the Guildhall, London, shall, out of the First Money that shall come unto their Hands, of the Twentieth Part, pay unto Mr. Marshall and Mr. Calamy the Sum of Four hundred Pounds; to be by them distributed amongst such of the Assembly of Divines whose Necessities are most pressing, towards the Payment of the daily Allowances granted unto them by the Ordinance of both Houses: And the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Advance of Money, sitting at Haberdashers Hall, are required to take care that the said Monies be paid according to this Order.

Robinson's Petition.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of John Robinson, of London, Merchant, be referred to the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall, London, that sit there about the Scotts Affairs; to examine the Allegations in the Petition; and, it they find Cause, to restore the Oils to the Petitioner.

Suppressing Bear-baiting.

Ordered, That the Sub Committee, that sits in Southwark, be required forthwith to suppress the Game of Bear-baiting; and that they do permit there, hereafter, no Concourse of People to the Bear Garden; and that they apprehend such loose and suspicious Persons as come thither.

French Embassy.

Sir Philip Stapilton, Mr. Hollis, Sir Henry Vane, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Anthony Irby, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Corbett, Sir Peter Wentworth, Sir Arthur Hasilrig;

This Committee is appointed to prepare Reasons to be given, in Answer to the Conference with the Lords, about the Prince D' Arcourt, why this House cannot agree in appointing a Committee, as is desired: And are to meet To-morrow, at Eight of Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Letters of Marque.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Ayliff;

That the Lords do agree to the Ordinance for the Encouragement of Merchants to set Ships to Sea; with this Alteration; To leave out the Commissioners of the Admiralty throughout the Ordinance.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords in this Alteration.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House doth concur with the Lords, in the Alteration of this Ordinance.

Ordered, That this Ordinance be forthwith printed and published.

Lords to sit.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to sit To-morrow, as is desired.

Master of the Rolls.

Ordered, That the Lords be moved by a Message, That Mr. Speaker may be sworn forthwith, in the Presence of both Houses, in the Place of Master of the Rolls: And Mr. Hollis is to desire the Lords Concurrence herein.

City Forces.

Mr. Recorder reports from the City their Willingness to condescend to the Desires of this House, to continue their Forces awhile longer at Newport Pannell.

Yarmouth Fishery.

Ordered, That Mr. Corbett do write a Letter to the Town of Yarmouth, that this House will take care, that they shall have a safe Convoy for their fishing Fleet next Spring; and for their Ships that are to go to Burdeaux and Holland; and will move the Earl of Warwick to take care thereof.

Essex Forces.

A Letter from Sir Tho. Barrington, and the rest of the Deputy Lieutenants in the County of Essex, was read.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of the Offer of the County of Essex, for the Raising of Eight hundred Horse, and providing of Arms proportionable: And doth declare, that they shall not be compelled to march out of their own Country; nor have their Horses taken from them without their Consent: And that they compel such as refuse to contribute, either in Horse, Money, or Arms, to this Service, to find Horse and Arms.

Ordered, That Sir Henry Mildmay do write a Letter of Thanks, from this House, to Sir Tho. Barrington, and the rest of the Deputy Lieutenants in Essex, for expressing so great Care of the Safety of the Parliament, City, and so well-affected a County.

Gunpowder seized.

Ordered, That the Two Cask of Gunpowder, seized at Yarmouth, be put into the Magazine of Yarmouth; and to be disposed of by the Bailiffs of that Town.

Searching Delinquents.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy take care to reward such Officers as are active at Yarmouth, in the Service of the Parliament, in searching of Delinquents.

Listing Horses.

Ordered, That Mr. Recorder do view the Ordinance for the Militia to list Horses.

Recruiting the Army.

Ordered, That the Committee of the whole House do meet To-morrow, at Eight of Clock, to take into their further Consideration the Ordinance for recruiting my Lord General's Army.

Irish Report.

Ordered, That the Irish Report be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.

Greenvill's Petition.

Ordered, That Sir Richard Greenvill's Petition be taken into Consideration after the Irish Business.

Dr. Bastwick.

The humble Petition of Susannah Bastwick, was this Day read; desiring this House to give way for the Exchange of Colonel Welby for Dr. Bastwick: But nothing was done upon it, in regard Colonel Welby broke out of Prison, when he was in Execution.

Assembly of Divines, &c.

Ordered, That Mr. Recorder do bring in an Ordinance for a weekly Allowance to be made to the Divines of the Assembly, out of the Sequestrations, or some other thing.

The House being informed that some of the Divines of the Assembly did attend at the Door; they were called in: And Mr. Dr. Burgesse acquainted the House, from the Assembly, with the Substance of what he had in Writing to present to the House, both concerning some Maintenance of young Scholars, and Provision for their further Education, that have deserted Oxford; and concerning several crying Sins, that are not punished, notwithstanding the Complaint made thereof.

Ordered, That this House do take into Consideration, To-morrow Morning, the Papers presented from the Assembly.

Ordered, That the Petition of divers Scholars of the University, be referred to the Committee for plundered Ministers.

The Covenant.

Ordered, That the like Order, as formerly, be printed, concerning the taking the Covenant at St. Margaret's, Westminster, on Friday come Seven-night: And Mr. Marshall is to be desired to preach then.

State of Plymouth.

A Petition from the Committee at Plymouth, and the Town of Plymouth; expressing the State and Condition of that Town, and desiring some Supplies, Men and Ammunition, from hence; was this Day read.