House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 10 January 1644

Pages 362-363

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 10 Januarii, 1643.


French Ambassador's Letters.

MR. Whittacre, Mr. Dowse, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. Millington, are appointed to go forth, and to open the Covers of the Letters from France to the Prince D'Harcourt, and from Monsieur Du Moulin to the Prince D'Harcourt, in the Presence of Monsieur Du Moulin.

Message to Lords.

Ordered, That the Lords be moved, that a Copy of the Lord Digbye's Letter to Sir H. De Vic, at Brussels, may be sent to the Prince D'Harcourt.

Mr. Strode is appointed to go up with this Message: And to carry up the Orders concerning the Monies out of Haberdashers Hall.

Letters from Waller, &c.

A Letter from Broadewater, from Sir Wm. Waller, of the Eighth of January, concerning a Duynkirke Ship, stranded at Arundell, and his Desire of Direction thereupon; and a Letter, inclosed, from Captain Pitman to Sir Wm. Waller, concerning Colonel Stapeleye's Answer (Governor of Chichester) touching some Horse appointed to be quartered at Chichester, for a Time, by Sir Wm. Waller; was this Day read.

Ordered, That a Letter be written to Sir Wm. Waller and the Vice-admiral, to secure the Ship; and to take order, that the Goods in her may be safe laid up in Arundell Castle, and none of them imbezzled, or disposed of, till it shall be known whether she be Prize: And that if she shall prove Prize, to assure the Soldiers, that they shall receive a Reward out of her: And that they do cause Inventories to be made of her Lading, and returned up to the Court of Admiralty, and to this House: And it is referred to the Committee of the Safety to advise with some Civil Lawyers; and thereupon to prepare and send away this Letter.

Ordered, That my Lord General be desired to write to Colonel Stapeley; and to acquaint him, that Sir Wm. Waller has received a Commission from him to command in Chief all the Forces of the Four associated Counties; and that it is expected, that he should yield Obedience to his Directions, upon all Occasions.

Sir Philip Stapilton, Sir Jo. Merrick, Sir Wm. Lewes, are appointed to acquaint his Excellency with this Order.

Money for Army.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy shall have Power to take up Ten thousand Pounds, of the Merchant Adventurers, for the Supply of the Western Counties, upon the Credit of the Excise, at the Interest of Eight Pounds per Cent. and not above, payable at Six Months; and shall bring in an Ordinance accordingly for Security to the Merchant Adventurers.

Ordered, That the Committee shall likewise take into Consideration, how a due Muster may be made upon the sending down of these Monies, and by whom, that the State may receive the Advantage: And likewise how the Monies, formerly sent, have been received and paid; and how to bring them to account; and in what Manner the former Musters have been made.

Letter to Stapeley.

Sir Philip Stapilton brings Answer; That his Excellency will presently write to Colonel Stapeley, in the best Way he can, for the best Advantage to the Service.

Report deferred.

Ordered, That Mr. Millington do make his Report on Friday Morning.

Queen's Impeachment.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare, that the Lords demanding of any particular Members, and nominating the said Members, to consider with about any Matter, as they did by the Message of the Eighth of January 1643, in the Business touching the Queen's Impeachment, is a Breach of the Privilege of this House; and therefore cannot be yielded unto, or granted by this House.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth give Leave, and appoint any of the Members of the House, to consider and confer with the Lords, concerning the Form and Manner of Proceeding in the Case of the Queen's Impeachment, or of other Delinquents, if they shall be desired thereunto by the Lords.

Roylye's, &c. Design.

Ordered, That the Committee for the late Design of Mr. Roylye, and others, do give Order for the setting forth in Print, and publishing, what was delivered to the Common Hall, and observed by them upon that Design, on Monday last.

Reade's Release.

A Letter from Colonel Edm. Harvey, from Newport Pagnall, of the Eighth of January, concerning the Release of Colonel Reade, by his Solicitation to the Lord General his Excellency.

Trial of Delinquents.

Ordered, That his Excellency be desired to grant a standing Commission to some Person, to be President of a Council of War, for the Trial of past and future Delinquents.

Mr. Solicitor, Sir H. Mildmay, and Mr. Strode, are appointed to move his Excellency herein.

Letter from Lord Goringe to the Queen, &c.

A Letter from the Lord Goringe to the Queen, directed " Pour la Reine d' Angleterre," discovered among the Pacquets directed to Prince D'Harcourt, or Monsieur De Gressy, was brought in by the Committee appointed to open the Covers of those Letters; and was ordered to be opened; and read, about half an Hour after Three of Clock, and an Hour after the Warrant was signed, for the conveying of the other Pacquets to Prince D'Harcourt: Upon the reading of which Letter; and, finding by it the Employment of the Prince D'Harcourt from the Crown of France, to be very prejudicial to the Parliament; and, that there was treating at Oxon, and at Paris, by the Lord Goring, for-the landing and bringing in of foreign Force; Order was sent, and given to Sir Peter Wentworth and Mr. Whittacre, to recover the other Pacquets, addressed to Prince D'Harcourt and Monsieur De Gressy: Who are to use all Means and Diligence for the Recovery of those Letters; and are to make Stay of the Messenger; and to bring the Letters to the House.

Ordered, That Sir H. Mildmay and Sir Walt. Erle do forthwith go to Monsieur Du Molin, and seize all the Letters with him, or Monsieur Palvisin, that are going into France.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, as soon as shall stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning some Letters of great Importance, that concern the Safety of the Kingdom: And that the Letter from the Lord Goring to the Queen be communicated at this Conference; and the Lords desired, that it may be referred to the Committee for the Safety, to consider of all the Heads of it; and to propound to the Houses what is fit to be done upon it, on Friday Morning next.

Sir Rob. Harley went up with this Message.

Message to Lords.

He likewise carried up to the Lords, the Order for Members to be considered with, touching the Queen's Impeachment: And the Order for Fifteen hundred Pounds for the Garison of Aylisbury.-

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Page and Dr. Aylett;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you Three Ordinances: One, concerning the pressing of Mariners: The other, concerning the Officers in the Chancery to attend the Seal: In which they desire the Concurrence of this House. A Third was, concerning the Excise upon Flesh and Salt; which was sent up from this House: To which they agree, with some Amendments; which they have here sent down.

The Amendments were read; and, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto.-

LordGoring's Impeachment.

Resolved, &c. That George Lord Goring shall be forthwith accused of High Treason, for endeavouring to bring in foreign Force against the Parliament and Kingdom.

Sir Wm. Strickland went up with this Accusation.

Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Browne, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Ellis, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Hill, are appointed to bring in an Impeachment to this Purpose.

Letters communicated to Lords.

Ordered, That this Valeese of Letters, shall be presented to the Lords at this Conference; and the Lords desired, that these Letters may be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Safety: And that the Committee for the Safety shall have Power, from both Houses, to open as many of these Letters, or all, as they shall see Cause: And are to return to the Houses the several Letters, now in the Valeese, according to their Superscriptions; and the Grounds and Reasons of their Proceedings, whether they open them, or not.

Sir H. Vane sen. and jun. Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Holles, Sir Philip Stapilton, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Rob. Harley brings Answer; That the Lords do agree to the Order for Fifteen hundred Pounds for the Garison at Aylisbury: And will give a present Meeting at a Conference, as is desired.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers, That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Ordinance for pressing of Mariners; and for the Officers to attend the Seal; they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Maimed Soldiers.

The humble Petition of divers lame Soldiers within the Hospital of the Savoye, being Two hundred in Number, on the Behalf of their Apothecaries and Surgeons.

Resolved, That the Committee at Haberdashers Hall do forthwith pay in Three hundred Pounds to the Treasurers at Guildkall, London; and that, by them, it be forthwith paid over to the Treasurer at Wars; and by him paid over to the Treasurers for maimed Soldiers; and by them disposed of to the Apothecaries and Surgeons for the maimed Soldiers, according to the Direction of the Committee for maimed Soldiers: And Mr. Holland is required to take especial Care hereof.

Sir Edw. Hungerford carried up this Order to the Lords: And was to acquaint them, that this House intends to sit on Friday next.

Examining Mountague.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to examine Mr. Walt. Mountague do go To-morrow to examine him: And that Mr. Recorder do meet with them.

Associated Counties.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Seven associated Counties, or any Five of them, being Members of this House, shall have Power to meet; And they are appointed to meet To-morrow, at Three of Clock, in the Duchy Chamber.

Reports deferred.

Ordered, That the Ordinance for recruiting the Army, under the immediate Command of his Excellency, be reported the first Business on Friday Morning: And, that after that Business is dispatched, that the Ordinance for the Eight associated Counties be then next reported.

Exchange of Prisoners.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of the Exchange of Captain, Cock, Prisoner to the Parliament in Dover Castle, for George Lilborne, of the County Palatine of Duresme, Gentleman, and Prisoner to the Earl of Newcastle, according to the Approbation of the Lord Fairefaxe; provided that Captain Foultropp, now Prisoner at Yorke, be first exchanged for Captain Dawson, or for some other Captain or Officer of the Earl of Newcastle, Prisoner to the Lord Fairefaxe: And this . . . doth undertake to release the said Captain Cox, upon Signification, that the said Gev. Lilborne is released.

Resolved, That this House doth approve of the Exchange of Captain Dawson, Prisoner to the Lord Fairfax, in Hull, for Captain Fawthrop, Prisoner to the Earl of Newcastle; and do recommend it to the Lord Fairfax to exchange the said Captain Foulthropp for the said Captain Dawson, or some other Person .... to his Lordship.

Bastwick's Petition.

The humble Petition of Susanna Bastwick was read.

Message from Lords.

Message, by Sir Rob, Rich and Mr. Page;

That the Lords have commanded us to let you know, that they do agree to those Votes, sent up at the last Conference; and do appoint, That there shall be a Meeting, To-morrow at Nine of Clock, of the Committee of the Safety, concerning those Affairs: And Five of their Lords are enjoined then to attend the Committee: And do desire, that the Mail with the Letters, and the original Letter from my Lord Goring, may be brought to the Committee there, and be kept very safe in the mean time.


Answer returned by the same Messengers; That they have enjoined their Members to attend the Committee; and that the Letter, and Mail of Letters, shall be kept safe in the mean time.

Earl of Pembroke's Lead, &c.

Ordered, That the Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery may bring up to London, or cause to be brought up, and conveyed to London, from time to time, out of the Northern Parts of this Kingdom, either by the Way of Kingston upon Hull, or by any other Ways or Means, by Sea or Land, such Quantities of Lead and Iron, as his Lordship's Tenants there, or any other his Agents or Managers of his Estate in those Parts, shall, at any time, pay or send unto him, in respect of Rent, Debts, or other Profits, already due, and Arrear unto him, or hereafter to be due, and payable to the said Earl from thence.

The House adjourned till Friday Eight of Clock.