House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 13 April 1644

Pages 458-459

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Sabbati, 13 Aprilis, 1644.


Gloucester Garison, &c.

MR. Pury reports the Ordinance, committed, concerning Provisions and Relief for the Garison of Gloucester, Herefordshire, and Monmouth, and Gloucestershire: The Amendments were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto: And afterwards the Ordinance itself, with the Amendments, were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and that the Lords Concurrence be desired herein: And Sir Rob. Harley is appointed to carry it up.

Raising Money.

Mr. Pury reports from the Committee appointed to sit Yesterday at Grocers Hall, That the Committee had resolved, that One hundred thousand Pounds be raised for a Stock of Money, for the promoting and carrying on of this Service, of present setting-forth of the Forces, and the other Affairs of the Kingdom; that all such Persons as have or shall subscribe, and lend Money, towards the Payment of the Forces in and about London, to be sent forth in this present Service, shall have Security for Repayment thereof.

That the Alderman, Deputy, and Common-Councilmen of every Ward shall, in their several Precincts, propose the Securities, and receive the Subscriptions, of every able Person, as shall refuse, unto a Committee of the House, to be appointed for that Purpose; and the like to be done within the Lines of Communication, and the Bills of Mortality, by the several Sub-Committees in their Precincts, and such as they shall appoint:

That, out of the Houses and Lands of Delinquents, and Papists in London, and within Twenty Miles thereof, now in Sequestration, and not disposed of, Security shall be given of double the Value, according to the Proportion of the Monies to be lent, for Repayment thereof, after the present Engagement of the said Lands are discharged:

That the publick Faith of both Kingdoms shall be given for Security of the Principal Money, to be lent for this Service; and that the Interest of such Monies shall be paid out of the Excise.

Resolved, upon the Question, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to sit at Grocer's Hall, where Mr. Pury has the Chair, to advise and consider of a Way to raise Three hundred thousand Pounds upon the Estates of Delinquents, Papists, Bishops, Deans, and Chapters; and to consider of all other Ways and Means that may speedily raise Monies, and enable the Forces to march, against the Day of Rendezvous: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Two Clock in the Star Chamber; and so, from time to time, when they please.

London, &c. Auxiliaries.

Mr. Ellis reports, from the Committee appointed to advise, with the Committee of the Militia, for the speedy sending-forth of Forces, That the City hath sent out Two Regiments of Auxiliaries to Sir Wm. Waller; and the Westminster Regiment of Auxiliaries are to follow them; That they have resolved, at a Common Council Yesterday, to send out Three Regiments of Auxiliaries more, to be at the Rendezvous by the Time appointed; and that Three Regiments more shall be drawn forth for a Reserve.


Mr. Perepointe reports, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, to the Effect of Mr. Ellis his Report: And added further, That the County of Kent hath sent an additional Force of Four hundred Horse, and a Regiment of Foot: That my Lord of Manchester hath signified to the Committee, his Horse are on their March already, and hopes to be at the Place of Rendezvous by the Time appointed: That a Regiment of Seven hundred Foot, of Hertfordshire Men, will march also; and the Committee of Leicester hath taken Order, to raise a Month's Pay, to enable my Lord Graye's Regiment of Horse, to march to the Rendezvous: And, for my Lord General's Forces, it is presented in Writing.

Ordered, That the Members of this House, that serve for the Counties of Kent, Surrey, Sussex, Midlesex, Bedford, Bucks, and Northampton, and the Six associated Counties, do meet this Afternoon, and consider of the raising of the Horses, according to the Proposition of my Lord General, and the Committee of both Kingdoms: And it is referred to the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, to consider how the Gentlemen, and others of these Counties, that advance Monies for providing Horses, according to the Propositions from the Committee of both Kingdoms, may be repaid within Fourteen Days.

The Members of the House, that serve for Essex, and the rest of that Association, excepting Lincolnshire, are to meet in the Duchy Chamber, and, of the other Counties, to meet in the Exchequer Chamber, this Afternoon, at Two a Clock, to consider of that Business.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Committee of both Kingdoms, that the Garison of Windsor shall march, and have a Month's Pay.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Committee of both Kingdoms, that the Garison at Aylisbury shall march, and have a Month's Pay.

Army Arrears, &c.

An Ordinance for the cutting down and felling of Underwoods, and decayed Trees, of the Lord Petre's Estate in Essex, to the Value of Three thousand Pounds; and the Proceed of the Sale thereof, amounting to that Value, to be paid to Colonel Harvey; for recruiting of his Regiment, and towards his Arrears; was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent up to the Lords, for their Concurrence: Which was this Day carried up to the Lords by Sir Rob. Pye.

Propositions for Peace.

Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Wkitfeild and Sir Robert Rich;

That the Lords desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, concerning Propositions for Peace.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That the House will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Holles, Sir Henry Vane, Mr. Peirpoint, Mr. Prideaux, Sir Phil. Stapilton, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Holles reports the Conference, and presents in Writing, from the Lords, Their Desires of sending Propositions of Peace; and that it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to prepare the same by Wednesday, or else they must resume the Consideration of it themselves: And have sent down an Ordinance to enable the Committee to prepare Propositions accordingly, and to present the same to the Houses: Which Papers were both read.

The Question being put, whether this Ordinance, delivered by the Lords at this Conference, should be now read the Second time;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went out.

Sir Henry Vane jun. Sir Arthur Hasilrig, Tellers for the Noe: With the Noe, 57.
Mr. Holles, Mr. Reynolds, Tellers for the Yea: With the Yea, 55.

So it passed with the Negative.

Ordered, That the House do take into Consideration, on Monday Morning next, the first Business, the Report from the Lords concerning Propositions for Peace.

Army, &c.

Mr. Peirpoint proceeded in his Report.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Committee, that Colonel Harvey shall march with his Regiment, having a Month's Pay allowed unto him.

Ordered, That Seventeen hundred Pounds shall be paid for the providing of Powder for the Army under the Command of the Earl of Essex; and that the Committee do take care herein.

Ordered, That a Month's Pay be allowed to the Officers of the Train of Artillery, to enable them to march.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to sit at Grocers Hall, where Mr. Pury has the Chair, to consider how Monies may be provided for Payment of those Garisons and other Forces that are to march, according to the Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, and the Votes this Day passed.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Excise, where Mr. Green has the Chair, do present, from the Commissioners of Excise, a Particular, what Engagements are on the Excise, and what Monies they have in Cash, and when the Payments are to be made.

The Petition of the Committee for the Militia in the County of Hertford was read, and an Ordinance presented therewith from the Committee of both Kingdoms, and ordered to be taken into Consideration on Monday next.

Ordered, That the Company of the Turky Merchants do forthwith make Payment of the Residue of the Eight thousand Pounds formerly ordered, or to attend the House on Tuesday next.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy do give Order for the Payment of the Three Thousand Pounds, and odd Hundred Pounds in Arrear, due to the several Persons that furnished the last Year's Stores for the Navy, out of the first Monies that shall be made of the Goods lately taken by way of Prize, and brought in at Portesmouth.

Committee added.

Ordered, That Mr. Corbett be added to the Committee where Mr. Pelham has the Chair, concerning those that come in upon the Declaration of both Kingdoms.

Propositions for Peace.

The Lords have, with all possible Care and Deliberation, considered of the Reasons of the House of Commons, touching the preparing of Grounds of Peace to be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms: And altho' that they are clearly satisfied in their Judgments and Consciences, that the Reasons given by the House of Commons are not satisfactory to them; and that it is their Lordships just Right and Privilege to name their own Committee, and the Number of them; and their Lordships do see no Reason, but that, in case the said Affair had been referred to the Committee of Nine of their House, and a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, all due Correspondency might have been observed with our Brethren of Scotland: yet, in regard that, since the first Debate concerning the Premises, their Lordships, and the House of Commons have both resolved, That the Army should take the Field, and the general Rendezvous is appointed on the Nineteenth of this Month of April; and considering how necessary it is to prepare Propositions of Peace, that all Men may be satisfied what it is both They and the House of Commons insist on, and to satisfy the World touching the Inclinations, and earnest Desire of their Lordships to a just Peace, with Truth and the true Religion of Almighty God; they have therefore thought fit, and resolved, for the present, to remit something from their said just Right in this Particular; and are contented, that it be referred to the said Committee to prepare Propositions to be made to his Majesty, touching a Peace, and reconciling the miserable Distractions of this unhappy Kingdom, so as that the same be expedited, and brought into either of the Houses on Wednesday next, sitting the House, to be resolved on by the Houses: Their Lordships further declaring, that, in case the Propositions be not brought in by the time aforesaid, their Lordships hold the making of Propositions of such absolute Necessity, that they must resume the Consideration of the same: Wherein they will be careful, that it be done in such a Way, as that no Breach or Colour of Violation be of the Articles of the Treaty with our Brethren of Scotland, but all due Correspondency held with them, as a Thing not only requisite in point of Justice, and Honour of this Kingdom, but of the Safety and Good of both Nations; an Ordinance being drawn up to enable the said Committee to the Purpose and Effect aforesaid.

Propositions for Peace.

Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, that the Committee of both Kingdoms be hereby enabled to prepare Propositions, for a safe and well-grounded Peace; the same to be brought in to one or both Houses, on Wednesday the Seventeenth of April, 1644, sitting the Houses, to be there reviewed, and considered of; and then, by the mutual Advice and Consent of both Kingdoms, to be perfected, so as they may be sent or tendered to his Majesty, in such a Way, as both Houses shall think fit, or such Use made of them as by such joint Advice and Consent as aforesaid, shall be thought most necessary for the Good of both Kingdoms. Provided always, That the Power given unto the said Committee by this Ordinance shall continue no longer than during the time herein limited, for the bringing in of the said Propositions.