Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Die Lunæ, 29 Aprilis, 1644.
Cauter's, &c. Petition.
THE humble Petition of Abraham van de Cauter and Adrian Henrix, Merchants of the Intercourse, recommended by the States Ambassadors, was this Day read; and ordered to be referred to the Court of Admiralty, to examine the State of the Business, and to certify the whole Proofs and State of the Business to the House: And the Members of the House, that know any thing of the Particulars of this Business, have Liberty to give their Information to the Court of Admiralty, of what they know herein.
Ordered, That the Desire of the Here van Kynswonde to transport Two hundred Fodder of Lead into Holland, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of the Navy, to consider whether it may be so done, that the Parliament may receive no Prejudice: And are to report their Opinions to the House: And the Gentlemen of Derbyshire and Yorkeshire are added to this Committee as to this Business.
An Ordinance for raising of Monies from the Adventurers and Sharers in the Wine Project.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Gloucester, to bring in an Order to enable them to compound with such Sharers and Adventurers in the Wine Project, whose Restitution Monies have been ascertained by any Act of the House; and to coerce the Payment of such Monies, as have been so ascertained.
Mr. Holles delivers from the Lord General, the Resolution of the Council of War concerning the March of the Foot, Horse, and Train of Artillery, under his immediate Command.
Message to Lords.
Sir Tho. Barrington is appointed to go to the Lords, to acquaint them with the important Necessity of passing the Ordinance concerning the Earl of Manchester; and to desire them, that Army may not stand still, by the not expediting of this Ordinance.
Message from Lords.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page;
The Lords have sent you a Petition, which they have received from the Earl of Bedford, desiring the Sequestration of his Estate may be taken off; which the Lords think fit, and incline unto; and desire the Concurrence of this House.
They have likewise thought fit to grant a Pass to the Earl of Caernarvon, with his Tutor, some Servants and three Nags, to Geneva: And desire the Concurrence of this House herein.
Exclusion of Members.
Sir Rob. Harley is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them to expedite the Ordinance for the Exclusion of the Members of either House, that have deserted the Parliament without the Consent of both Houses.
Resolved, &c. That no private Business whatsoever shall be entertained by this House, till the Armies be marched forth: And Mr. Speaker, upon all Occasions, is to put the House in mind hereof.
Pass for Earl of Caernarvon.
Ordered, That Charles Earl of Caernaroon, Jo. Saladin, Mary Saladin, Herbert Saladin, Frederick Primerose, Rob. Lovuett, and Isaac Decaus, with three Nags for his Lord ship's Use, shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to go into France to Geneva, in Concurrence with the Lords.
Answer to Lords.
Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Earl of Bedford's Petition, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And, as to the Pass desired, for the Earl of Caernarvon to go to Geneva, this House does concur with the Lords in the Pass, as is desired.
Ordered, That the Committee of both Kingdoms, and my Lord General, do, this Afternoon, confer and resolve together, upon a certain and more speedy Day for my Lord General's Army to march, than is yet resolved upon; and to assure my Lord General, by the Report made from the Commissioners of Excise, that his Lordship shall receive the full Twenty thousand Pounds desired, either upon the Day of the Army's coming to the general Rendezvous, or within Three Days after: And that an Account hereof be given to this House, To-morrow Morning.
Sir Philip Stapilton is to desire my Lord General to be present at the Committee of both Kingdoms, this Afternoon.
Answer from Lords.
Sir Tho. Barrington brings Answer, That the Lords will take the Ordinance concerning the Earl of Manchester's Forces into a speedy Consideration; and send Answer by Messengers of their own.
Resolved, &c. That the Monies, seized on in Perpoole Lane, and now in the Hand of Mr. Browne, it being doubtful to whom it belongs, shall be forthwith disposed of by the said Mr. Browne, to Sir Tho. Middleton, upon Account, to enable him to advance forthwith.
And it is further Ordered, That, if in case the said Monies prove not to belong to the State, that then the Party, to whom the Monies shall appear of Right to belong, shall be repaid the same, with Interest, out of the Monies assigned to Sir Tho. Middleton, out of the Revenue of the Court of Wards: And the Committee of the King's Revenue is hereby ordered to pay the same accordingly.
Ordered, That the Collectors appointed to collect and receive the Monies subscribed, for enabling Sir Tho. Middleton to raise Force, do apply themselves diligently to that Work, and speedily collect and pay in the said Monies.
Ordered, That Mr. Corbett do, To-morrow, report the Matter of Fact concerning the Lady Shelleye's Money.
Ordered, That Mr. Lisle do, To-morrow, report the Ordinance concerning the Committees of the Four associated Counties, the first Business.
Propositions for Peace.
Mr. Pierrepont reports, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the Propositions and Grounds for a safe Peace: And did represent to the House, that the Committee had used all the Diligence they could for preparing these Propositions.
That the Commissioners from Scotland did diligently apply themselves to the Business: And, for speeding of them in Scotland, they are resolved, that one of themselves shall go to the Convention of the States, or their Committees, that so all possible Speed may be used for the perfecting of them.
The Propositions were once read; and ordered to be read again, on Wednesday Morning: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind hereof: And any Member of the House may have a Copy of them.
House to sit.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page;
The Lords desire this House would sit To-morrow, if it may stand with the Conveniency, for the Dispatch of some Ordinances that this House has sent up to them.
Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will sit To-morrow, as is desired.
Earl of Manchester's Forces.
A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Page;
That the Lords do agree to the Ordinance concerning the Earl of Manchester, with one Addition: In which they desire the Concurrence of this House.
The Addition was read: And
It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth assent to the Ordinance for the maintaining the Forces under the Earl of Manchester, as it went from hence.
Ordered, That a Conference shall be desired with the Lords hereupon, and Reasons delivered at that Conference, for the House's adhering to the Ordinance, as aforesaid: And Mr. Solicitor, Sir H. Vane jun. Mr. Ellis, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Crewe, and Mr. Lisle, are appointed to prepare Reasons for this Conference; and to manage it.
Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.
Ordered, That the Committee, appointed for the Garison of Gloucester, shall have full Power to call before them such Persons, against whom a Bill was drawn, to charge them with Restitution of Monies exacted from the Subject, by colour of the Wine Project; and to require them to pay in the Money charged upon them, by their Accounts, or so much thereof as, upon reasonable Mitigation, they shall think fit; and to make Report thereof unto the House: Which Sums of Money, so reported and accepted, the said Committee shall have Power to receive; whose Acquittance shall be unto them a sufficient Discharge. And, in case of Refusal, or Non-payment, of any of the said Monies, so reported and accepted, the said Committee hath hereby Power to commit the Person so refusing into safe Custody, until Payment be made of the same; or to levy the same by Distress or Sale of the Goods of the Persons so refusing: Which Money so received shall be employed to and for the Use of the City and Garison of Gloucester, upon Account, as other Monies already appointed for that Use; one Third Part thereof being allowed to the Lord Lisle, upon Account, towards his Arrears. And whereas it was Ordained by the said Ordinance, That all the Forces, raised or to be raised, under the Command of the said Earl, shall be kept intire, and not drawn forth, or kept or continued forth upon any Service, without the Knowledge and joint Consent of the said Earl, and the said Committee, mentioned in the said Ordinance, while they are together; or of one of them, while they are distant one from another; or without particular Directions of Parliament: Now it is Provided and Ordered, by the said Lords and Commons, That the said Forces shall be kept intire, and not drawn forth, or kept or continued forth upon any Service, without the Knowledge and joint Consent of the said Earl, and the said Committee, while they are together; or of one of them, while they are distant one from another; or without particular Directions of Parliament; or of the Earl of Essex Lord General.