House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 27 June 1644

Pages 543-544

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Jovis, Junii 27, 1644.


Lead on Lincoln Churches, &c.

ORDERED, That the Lead upon the Churches at Lincolne, or the Bells, or any Lead upon private Mens Houses, or Cisterns, or Conduit-pipes, or any Coppers, or other Brewing Vessels, or Metal, of private Men, or belonging to Churches, be not meddled with, or pulled down, or taken away, upon any Pretence whatsoever: And that Mr. Broxholme do forthwith send down this Order, and a Letter to this Purpose, to the Earl of Manchester.


Ordered, That Sir Robt. Harley do prepare and bring in an Ordinance for confirming such Privileges to the working Moneyers, as the Houses shall think fit.

Col. Beard.

The Question being put, whether Colonel Beard should have Liberty to go down in Person, to solicit his own Exchange;

It passed with the Negative.

Army Pay, &c.

A Letter from my Lord General, from Bridport, of June 24, 1644, directed to the Speakers of both Houses; desiring the Month's Pay for his Army, the Shoes promised, and that some Gentlemen of those Parts might be sent down; and desiring that the Monies upon the Ordinance, might be assigned to pay his Army there; and that the Monies raised in those Western Parts, might be employed for the Pay of those Men of those Counties, that shall come in unto him; was this Day read.

Sir Robt. Pye is appointed to carry up this Letter to the Lords.

Commissary Copley.

A Letter from my Lord General, from Melcombe Regis, of Junii 19, 1644, directed to Mr. Speaker, concerning Commissary Copley, sent for as a Delinquent, was this Day read.

The humble Petition of Commissary Copley was this Day read, who was sent for as a Delinquent, and is now a Prisoner in Elye House; and ordered to be referred to the Committee for Commissary Copley: They are likewise to take Consideration of the Letter from my Lord General to Mr. Speaker, concerning Commissary Copley; and to prepare an Answer to it; and to signify the Matters that are in Charge, and proved against him here; and that he is imprisoned, by the Judgment of the House, for Breach of their Privilege.

It is likewise referred to this Committee, to consider how the Parties injured by Commissary Copley, may have Reparations out of his Estate.

Message to Lords.

Sir Robt. Pye is likewise appointed to carry up to the Lords, the Names of the Persons to be added to the Committee for the Ordinance for the Counties of Gloucester, Hereford, &c. He is likewise to put the Lords in mind of the Conference concerning Colonel Edw. Kinge; and to desire them to expedite their Answer. He likewise carried up the Ordinance concerning the Payment of the Shoes at Northampton, &c. out of the Excise.

Advance from Excise.

The humble Answer and Petition of the Commissioners of Excise, in Answer to a Message sent unto them on Tuesday last, concerning the Paying in of Ten thousand Pounds, now ready for Sir Wm. Waller's Army, was this Day read.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Robt. Pye brings Answer, That he has delivered my Lord General's Letter to the Lords: That the Lords will take Colonel Kinge's Businessinto a present Consideration; and send Answer by Messengers of their own: That they do agree to the other Matters carried up by him.

Advances from Excise.

Resolved, &c. That it doth appear to this House, that the Commissioners of Excise did promise to the Gentlemen of the West, to advance Twenty thousand Pounds for the Service of the West.

Resolved, &c. That the Treaty between the Commissioners of Excise, and Gentlemen of the West, relates only to the Times of Payment, and Manner of their Security, and Reimbursement.

Resolved, &c. That this House did consent to the Continuance of the Excise upon the present Commissioners in the Manner as now it is, for a Year longer, the better to enable them to advance this Twenty thousand Pounds for the West; and to be a Security to them for the Repayment thereof: And that an Ordinance shall be brought in for the securing them the said Repayment accordingly.

Resolved, &c. That the Commissioners of Excise do forthwith pay unto Mr. Trenchard, for the Service of Sir Wm. Waller's Forces, the Ten thousand Pounds now in Readiness, and Residue of the Twenty thousand Pounds formerly promised by them to be advanced to the Gentlemen of the West, for the Service of the West: And that a Receipt under the Hand of the said Mr. Trenchard, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners for the said Ten thousand Pounds.

Resolved, &c. That an Ordinance be brought in, to secure and reimburse the Commissioners of Excise the Twenty thousand Pounds advanced by them out of the Receipts of the Excise by Five thousand Pounds per Month, with Consideration; the first Payment to begin out of the Monies that shall come in upon the Excise the next Year, beginning the Eleventh of September next.

Resolved, &c. That the respective Treasurers for my Lord General's and Sir Wm. Waller's Armies, do pay all such Monies as are due to sick and maimed Soldiers that stand upon the Lists, and pass Musters, to the Treasurers for the maimed Soldiers: And that the Treasurers for the maimed Soldiers do return a List to the Treasurers of such sick and maimed Soldiers as are here, to be sent to my Lord General.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of Excise do forthwith pay the Two hundred Pounds per Week assigned by Ordinance for the maimed Soldiers to the Treasurers appointed for the maimed Soldiers: And that the said Two hundred Pounds per Week shall be reimbursed out of the Monies that shall come in upon the new Excise.

The same Gentlemen that were appointed on Tuesday last to speak with the Commissioners of Excise, are now appointed to acquaint them with these Votes.


Ordered, That the Report concerning the Ordinance touching the new Excise, be made To-morrow Morning, peremptorily.

State of Western Counties.

Mr. Peters was called in; and made a large and full Relation of the State of the Western Counties; and of the Proceedings of my Lord General's Army since its coming thither.

Captain Potter, one of the Commissioners appointed to reside in my Lord General's Army, was likewise called in; who acquainted the House with some Goods that were met with, and preserved at Melcombe, and sent up by Sea, to be sold to the best Advantage of the State.

Captain Potter was again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted him, That the House was informed, that the Commissioners whom the Parliament thought fit to send down to the Army, met with some Affronts and Carriages that much obstructed and discouraged their Proceedings; and that he was commanded to injoin him to tell the particular Obstructions, and by whom. Who then answered, that the greatest Affronts and Obstructions which they had received, were concerning the Sale of the Goods at Weymouth; and that, upon That Occasion, they had received very great Discouragements, and very ill Language and Usage from Colonel Harvey, and the Judge Advocate Dr. Dodislaus.

Mr. Peters was again called in; and, being demanded concerning the Sale endeavoured of those Goods at Weymouth, said, That those that appeared most in that Business, and seemed to be most enraged, were Colonel Harvey, Major Manwaring, and the Judge Advocate; who gave, upon that Occasion, very discouraging Words and Terms to the Commissioners.

He further informed, that Quarter Master General Dalbier, upon Discourse, told him, that they took Taunton to be a very convenient Place for quartering the Army, lying near upon Three Counties: Mr. Peters replying, that he hoped Exeter would be taken in within little time; Dalbier replied, that this must be a Work for the next Year.

Ordered, That the Relation made by Mr. Peters at the Bar, and presented by him in Writing, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the West.

Ordered, That the Informations this Day presented, concerning the Judge Advocate, Colonel Harvey, Major Manwaring, and Quarter Master Dalbier, be referred to the Examination and Consideration of the Committee formerly appointed for my Lord General's List; who are to examine the Particulars of all the Informations; and to prepare a Letter to be written to my Lord General upon the Particulars.

Whereas formerly Books, to the Value of an Hundred Pounds, were bestowed upon Mr. Peters, out of the Archbishop of Canterbury's particular private Study: And whereas the said Study is appraised at a matter of Forty Pounds more than the said Hundred Pounds; It is this Day Ordered, That Mr. Peters shall have the whole Study of Books freely bestowed upon him.